Substrate for cypripedium

Hakone · Dec 26, 2011

I am preparing a substrate for my Christmas gifts

Seramis + Perlite + Sand + Clay

Sektion Macrantha

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Seramis

Sektion Obtusiflora

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Seramis + Perlite

Sektion Trigonopedia

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Kyriu + Perlite

Sektion Acaulia

Does anyone have any other recommendation .

tocarmar · Dec 26, 2011

The mixes all look good. Depending on species/hybrids , seedlings/mature plants I would mix in alittle conifer pine needles or leaf tree compost depending on if they are acid lovers or not..

Lycaste53 · Dec 26, 2011

Hakone, what material is that ´Kyriu´? Something like volkanic material, lava or basalt?
Best regards, Gina

Hakone · Dec 26, 2011

very acidic

http://www.bonsai.co.uk/14-Litres-Japanese-Kiryu-Bonsai-Soil.html

Perlit

Perligran : grain size 0/6 or 2/6

http://www.knauf-perlite.de/industrie/perlit.html

Dido · Dec 26, 2011

Much look with that mixes.

But to know the section does not mean anything about soil to me.

For the Tri kinds only Perlite and seramis didnt worked for me, but maybe you are lucky with that.

Never forget that it depend on the origin of the plants too.

The rest is often discussed with you especially with Acaule and you know
what works for a lot of for us.

W. Beetus · Dec 26, 2011

Those look like nice mixes!

NYEric · Dec 27, 2011

Hakone said:
I am preparing a substrate for my Christmas gifts

Thank you, I cant wait to get mine! :evil:

Hakone · Dec 27, 2011

Hello Christoph,

Acaule

One germans grower told me , with peat ( incl. wine vinegar ) , the plant has only lived three years. In other germans breeders I have seen only one year life time.

Marc · Dec 27, 2011

Hakone your mixes have made me curious. Based on which knowledge did you create these mixes? Is it information you took from the internet of experience from other growers? Or is there some other thought behind these mixes?

Dido · Dec 27, 2011

Hy,

but white peat you know is a dangerous stuff.
But there are people who are succesfull with that.

i do the other way a lot of growers told you with pine bark and it work great.

I will report a section in january and I send you a photo, when I am finished.

I only have the problem that mine have mostly no fertyl pollen any more, this is why I need pollen every year from other people.

Think the inbreading of 3 generation made this.

Hakone · Dec 27, 2011

Marc said:
Hakone your mixes have made me curious. Based on which knowledge did you create these mixes? Is it information you took from the internet of experience from other growers? Or is there some other thought behind these mixes?

Based on my knowledge and experience. Pure Anorganic. In internet does not exist in this mixture.

NYEric · Dec 27, 2011

No mention of my Xmas cyps!?

Dido · Dec 27, 2011

NYEric said:
No mention of my Xmas cyps!?

What did you get for Chirstmas was it a nice subtropicum or a elegans:drool::evil:

NYEric · Dec 28, 2011

I'm still waiting for Hakone's shipment! :evil:

Silvan · Dec 28, 2011

As anyone ever tried a mix using chabasai and haydite ?

Hakone · Dec 29, 2011

chabasai is the best substrate for non acidophilic bonsai.

Silvan · Dec 29, 2011

Last year I was looking for seramis to use for my mix for cyps in pot culture and couldn't find any. So I tried to find a substitute and found the chabasai that they mix with haydite for bonsai culture..but it was a real hassle to get. Was looking gypsum and diatomite, but couldn't find that either..aaargh So I ended up using small pebbles for aquarium with coarse perlite, clay pellets, chc, sand, coconut coir, gravel and some charcoal.. everything's dead except my fasciolatum... Sooo no more cyps for me!

Dido · Dec 29, 2011

If you are searching for a substitue you have to look in car store.
They sell a binder for oil, which have nearly the same production technique,
In UK some people are using them, and some on the forum here too.
Maybe this is availabel in your country.

keithrs · Dec 29, 2011

Dido said:
If you are searching for a substitue you have to look in car store.
They sell a binder for oil, which have nearly the same production technique,
In UK some people are using them, and some on the forum here too.
Maybe this is availabel in your country.

They do add chemicals to the oil absorbent... I'm not sure if it will effect the plant or not. I'm really not sure many auto parts store carry it any more as "pig" mats are what most shops use now.

keithrs · Dec 29, 2011

So has any one tried humus mixed with perlite and use myco teas?

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