Disease, pest, Virus? Problem ID

[Sara_Cenia]

So a bunch of my orchids who had been doing fine started getting pitting and looking bad. Is this a pest, disease, virus or combo? I did see mites on an anthurium and only recently aggressiy attacked with soaps and poisons as it was a lot. No noticeable webs. Any help would be great.

 

[big923cattleya]

You have mites and you do not see webs every time.
Soaps won’t do much at all.
Insecticides won’t do much either. Why? Mites are not insects. They belong to the Arachnid family- spiders.
A systemic control will do the job over time, not instantly. Or use a miticide. Those work on mites.

 

[Tom-DE]

Yup! You got mites!

 

[Sara_Cenia]

You have mites and you do not see webs every time.
Soaps won’t do much at all.
Insecticides won’t do much either. Why? Mites are not insects. They belong to the Arachnid family- spiders.
A systemic control will do the job over time, not instantly. Or use a miticide. Those work on mites.

1000x thank you. Im cautiously hopful it isnt a disease to boot but will get the miticide. Never had them in all my time. The sprays I have listed mites but seems like I need to go more specific for the product

 

[Sara_Cenia]

Yup! You got mites!

Annoying but treatable! Thank you. Any specific products youd recommend? Lots of phals and paphs in the collection. Plus anthurium and philo

 

[Tom-DE]

Annoying but treatable! Thank you. Any specific products youd recommend? Lots of phals and paphs in the collection. Plus anthurium and philo

Try Avid miticide! I believe it is systemic...Expensive but it works very well on mites....Be careful...it is lethal! You can absorb it through the skin(I was told).
*sometimes, people sell it in a smaller amount of it on Ebay... you only need 12-15 drops for a gallon of water.

 

[Sara_Cenia]

Try Avid miticide! I believe it is systemic...Expensive but it works very well on mites....Be careful...it is lethal! You can absorb it through the skin(I was told).
*sometimes, people sell it in a smaller amount of it on Ebay... you only need 12-15 drops for a gallon of water.

Thanks for the heads up. I will look into it and be extra cautious

 

[Happypaphy7]

The second photo and the last three photos are typical symptoms of CaCV(Capsicum Chlorosis Virus) and it is likely that it has other virus infecting the plant also. It is very common disease for Phalaenopsis, unfortunately.

 

[Sara_Cenia]

dang I guess one had it and the mites spread it.

 

[Sara_Cenia]

Its never just the random I kinda like this one that gets hit. 3 of my favorites look like they need to be burnt to protect the rest if it hasnt spread

 

[Tom-DE]

Test it if you think it is a virus...

 

[Sara_Cenia]

Test it if you think it is a virus...

Sorry for asking a bunch of questions on this. Do I google labs or is there a kit? I sincerely appreciate all the help. I don’t think in all my years of having Orchids I’ve had a virus since leaves have never ended up looking so awful. I’ve also never had as many as I have now, so I fully understand that in itself can cause problems if they are not meticulously care for and checked.

 

[Tom-DE]

I don't know any lab or source of a test kit for this suspected virus. The last time I had ever tested my plants for viruses was almost 30 years ago and the lab was in CA. Someone else might tell you the source.

 

[Happypaphy7]

Home test kits only test for two. CymMV and ORSV. Any university level or commercial labs dealing with plants should be able to test for all kinds of plant diseases. Search on this website or google for orchid virus testing lab. I can't remember the names but there were at least two common ones that offer the service.

If there's a university near you, you can contact the agriculture department and ask if they can test for orchid viruses.
For best results, I'd try specialized lab dealing with orchids and other ornamental plant viruses.

 

[Sara_Cenia]

I have been testing for CYMMV and ORSV all have come back negative, except one Vanda, which was somewhat obvious. Any clue what these almost perfect circle light spots on the leaves are? I feel like I’ve seen this photo online in one of my searches, but now cannot find the image.
They are not sunken in or bulging

 

[Tom-DE]

I didn't think it would be the two most common orchid viruses...and to me, there might be secondary infections(like fungal or bacterial) after the mites based on your initial photos. Sorry for what you had to go through with this. Hopefully, someone else will suggest you a better solution.

 

[Ozpaph]

what does the underside of those leaves look like?

 

[Sara_Cenia]

what does the underside of those leaves look like?

Far le noticeable, but you can tell where those light patches are on the other side. Tested one of the leaves last night came back negative for CYMMV and the other that strip tests for. I 100% have mites and have started battling them. All of the leaves on this one are a bit pallor, but not sickly looking. Perhaps it’s some sort of deficiency?

 

[Happypaphy7]

I have been testing for CYMMV and ORSV all have come back negative, except one Vanda, which was somewhat obvious. Any clue what these almost perfect circle light spots on the leaves are? I feel like I’ve seen this photo online in one of my searches, but now cannot find the image.
They are not sunken in or bulging
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Those are not typical symptoms of the two viruses that the home test kits are used for. For most Phalaenopsis, CymMV and ORSV show no particular symptoms. What you have in these pictures are mostly likely those caused by what I mentioned in my precious comment. You will have to send a leaf sample to a lab that specializes orchid diseases.

 

[southernbelle]

1000x thank you. Im cautiously hopful it isnt a disease to boot but will get the miticide. Never had them in all my time. The sprays I have listed mites but seems like I need to go more specific for the product

Avid is specific and excellent for mites. Floramite is also good if you need more than 2 sprays and to rotate.