Can't resist to show my Pah. insigne here even if this lovely species might be of little interest ?
My Paph. insigne
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Great plant and flower!
All flowers, big and small, pretty or not, requires the same coordination and machinations of genes, building blocks and messenger pathways, to form.
It is truly a miracle built by Mother Nature with air, water and detritus.
By virtual of these two corollary truths, the conclusion must be that this insigne is the 'perfect ' flower.
It is truly a miracle built by Mother Nature with air, water and detritus.
By virtual of these two corollary truths, the conclusion must be that this insigne is the 'perfect ' flower.
Chris, are you sure?? Though since I've been reading your posting I look at the flower with diferent eyes and the pouch of my plant is slightly oblong, P. villosum like. On the other hand I've seen photos of P. insigne with a more oblong pouch in the net, too. Not sure whether they are all correctly labeled. I searched for photos of 'Paph. Monsieur de Curte' and what I found looks different to my flower.
According to the RHS Orchid Register Paph. Monsieur de Curte was registered as a cross between P. (villosum var.) boxalli x P. insigne in 1893.
P.K.Hansen
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This is one of my insigne ( have another, better, just like it)
Looks much like yours.
Looks much like yours.
Tom499
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One of my favourite Paphs! A real natural classic!
About ten years ago there came some very old hybrids into trade. They origin from a nursery for cut flowers of Paphiopedilum in Saxony, if I remember correctly. They were labeled as Archie-Nield, Damascus, Milo, Monsieur de Curte or even 'insigne-allianz'. Maybe you and some other European enthusiasts got plants from this source. In Europe it is more easy to sell species than primaries. In a first step they go as 'insigne-allianz', in the next step they are just straight insigne. Your flower looks very similar to the one, Carsten posted here as Paph. Monsieur de Curte years ago:
But maybe they all are just Paph. Nitens (insigne x villosum).
But maybe they all are just Paph. Nitens (insigne x villosum).
It looks a little different to the insignes I see locally.
I kind of think your insigne might maybe be a cousin to the "insigne" of doubtfull proveniens and status, that I posted recently, Rudolf. I think, that the designation 'Insigne-Allianz' might be the most appropriate term for both our plants!
Especially when you compare both our plants to my little collection of genuine insignes - I link to an older post of mine:
First the 'Harefield Hall, SM/DOK (from Hans Christiansen of Fredensborg):
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'Farmor' (danish for granny, or more precisely: paternal grandmother), BM/DOK:
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'Guldal', SM/DOK:
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Group photo:
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Especially when you compare both our plants to my little collection of genuine insignes - I link to an older post of mine:
First the 'Harefield Hall, SM/DOK (from Hans Christiansen of Fredensborg):
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'Farmor' (danish for granny, or more precisely: paternal grandmother), BM/DOK:
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'Guldal', SM/DOK:
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Group photo:
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Happypaphy7
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I agree that it is heavily villosum rather than insigne.
Chris, thanks a lot for your input and I think you - and some others here - are right. I also think my plant must be no straight P. insigne but at least a primary hybrid with P. villosum. It doesn't matter whether it is P. Monsieur de Curte or P. Nitens because I never will find it out. I searched for the old thread of Carsten here and it still has been here but unfortunatela all photos has been deleted (I think by the image host). But your shown photos seems to be one of them. Furthermore I compared with photos of Paph. insigne on slipperorchids.info and in the net and they all look differently. Even and 'old' photo of a Paph. insigne which I used to grow some years ago shows another flower. Have a look by your own.
Source of the plant was a nursery which, I think, isn't the very firts address in Paphs here in Germany but it is a renowned nursery in orchids 'Wichmann Orchideen' in Celle.
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Your old insigne, Rudolf, indeed, a gorgeous one! Now resting peacefully in OH?Chris, thanks a lot for your input and I think you - and some others here - are right. I also think my plant must be no straight P. insigne but at least a primary hybrid with P. villosum. It doesn't matter whether it is P. Monsieur de Curte or P. Nitens because I never will find it out. I searched for the old thread of Carsten here and it still has been here but unfortunatela all photos has been deleted (I think by the image host). But your shown photos seems to be one of them. Furthermore I compared with photos of Paph. insigne on slipperorchids.info and in the net and they all look differently. Even and 'old' photo of a Paph. insigne which I grew some years ago shows another flower. Have a look by your own.
Source of the plant was a nursery which, I think, isn't the very firts address in Paphs here in Germany but it is a renowned nursery in orchids 'Wichmann Orchideen' in Celle.
Kind regards, Jens
Per, from the rest of this thread, it's probably most likely to conclude, that the flower in your photo is yet another non-signe... Join the club, thankfully, if I myself may say so, both Rudolf and I can be considered fairly jolly company!This is one of my insigne ( have another, better, just like it)
Looks much like yours.
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P.K.Hansen
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Well Jens, I'm not too thrilled about it anyway ( three flowers right now though)
I'll get me another one - hopefully the real deal.
I'll get me another one - hopefully the real deal.
Why do some of you not love the flowers as they are? May it be an early hybrid or a species, the flowers are beautiful anyway! Does a flower have more charm if you know it is a species? Does a flower loose all its beauty in the moment you know it could be a hybrid???
I especially like Rudolf's first flower in this thread because of the nice bolt spots and its charming flower shape. And I like the flower of Carsten's Paph. Monsieur de Curte because of its exciting dorsal!
But of course it is an other thing if it comes to propagation and hybridization...
I especially like Rudolf's first flower in this thread because of the nice bolt spots and its charming flower shape. And I like the flower of Carsten's Paph. Monsieur de Curte because of its exciting dorsal!
But of course it is an other thing if it comes to propagation and hybridization...
Chris, to say it frankly......my quest of the identidy of my plant does not mean that I wouldn't like the flower. The only reason to be slightly disappointed could be that I wanted a straight Paph. insigne.....nothing else.
P.K.Hansen
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As Guru says, it's just not what I hoped for. I want one like the picture he posted above, with a flatter, greener dorsal. I guess we're spoiled 
Well, I'm just an awfull speciesist!
Joke aside, I really hoped for something like Guru's genuine article - I neeeeeed an insigne with a more green colouring of the dorsal to complete my collection of insignes! I like my flower, though, and enjoy it gracing my living room at the mo!
