Paph Macabre 'Mother Mary'

[Heather]

The whole concept is warped, each plant should be judged as an individual and if it is equal to one that has an AM it should also get an AM.

Who came up with the first come first served award concept anyway?

I disagree! Breeding improves or doesn't over time. There should be options beyond three plants awarded years ago. Look at the roths today!

It isn't warped. If there is progress over the last AM award a cross receives, it should be allowed to be upgraded to an FCC.

Progress. Not like size or color. It should be BETTER.

I'm not sure why you people have a difficult time understanding this. oke:

 

[Heather]

Oh, and I know for a fact that PHRAG has some tomatoes he is grooming just for the purpose of throwing them directly at me! :rollhappy:

 

[PHRAG]

Because bigger doesn't mean an orchid is better. Rounder doesn't mean an orchid is better. Who you know at the judging center doesn't mean your orchid is better.

But then again, I am biased. I think judging is a silly waste of time.

 

[Heather]

You ever had a plant you thought worth judging? You might feel different.
I've learned from the process, a GREAT deal, and I think it is something every serious grower should experience. It gives you a really great insight into the background of judging and the why.

Don't judge if you don't know about judging, IMHO!
(and I don't mean the plants, I mean the system, I've learned so much listening in on judging sessions!)

 

[Heather]

Face it John, I will kick your ass on this one.

 

[PHRAG]

I have not bloomed one plant that would be "worthy" of judging.

I don't think you have to participate in plant contests to be a serious grower. You have learned alot about the judging system, and what judges look for in awardable plants, neither of which interests me.

I don't have to sit and watch paint dry to know it would be a waste of my time.

 

[gonewild]

I disagree! Breeding improves or doesn't over time. There should be options beyond three plants awarded years ago. Look at the roths today!

No, you misunderstood what I meant or I said what I didn't mean. There should be unlimited options for plants to be awarded and not limited by the necessity to be better than a previous award. Equal to should be enough.

It isn't warped. If there is progress over the last AM award a cross receives, it should be allowed to be upgraded to an FCC.

Yes, but a plant should not be screened because it is not good enough for an FCC and there are already plenty of lower awards. I guess maybe it is the screening process that is warped.

Progress. Not like size or color. It should be BETTER.

The judging should be against a set of criteria and not the fact that a hybrid already has plenty of awards.

I'm not sure why you people have a difficult time understanding this. oke:

The same reason you do. oke: back

 

[Heather]

You don't buy nice enough plants. oke:

 

[gonewild]

Who you know at the judging center doesn't mean your orchid is better.

You wannna bet?

 

[Heather]

Lance? I was talking to John.

But I disagree with you too. If the plant isn't better, it shouldn't be judged, IMO. Waste of time! Do you guys know how much time it takes to discuss and decided to judge a plant?

 

[gonewild]

You ever had a plant you thought worth judging? You might feel different.
I've learned from the process, a GREAT deal, and I think it is something every serious grower should experience. It gives you a really great insight into the background of judging and the why.

Don't judge if you don't know about judging, IMHO!
(and I don't mean the plants, I mean the system, I've learned so much listening in on judging sessions!)

You sound like a lawyer talking about the legal system.

 

[Heather]

Edited my post - please read.

I wouldn't know. I'm not a lawyer, nor can I afford one!

 

[PHRAG]

I know, I buy the leftovers from the previously bloomed miniature species bench. I am doomed!

 

[gonewild]

I know, but I thought I would but in just to cause chaos.
:drool:
I really don't care about judging I just wanted to argue about it.
But it was warped in the 70's and it still is.

 

[Heather]

I know, I buy the leftovers from the previously bloomed miniature species bench. I am doomed!

And they are really sweet, but that's not the collection I am growing! Don't judge me because I'm a perfectionist, Mr. Ammonite. :wink:

 

[gonewild]

Edited my post - please read.

I wouldn't know. I'm not a lawyer, nor can I afford one!

But the question is can you afford a judge?
:rollhappy:

 

[Heather]

Lance, has anyone ever told you you are a bit of a pain in the ars?
Not that I am saying that...I'm really interested in that MK of yours so I'll behave.

I can be bribed. Easily.

 

[PHRAG]

I would never judge you. You aren't as round as the other HCC's in this category.

 

[Heather]

But the question is can you afford a judge?
:rollhappy:

Depends on the plant.
Not so far!

 

[Heather]

I would never judge you. You aren't as round as the other HCC's in this category.

Now THAT's how a man should respond!
Gentlemen, take note!
:smitten: