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Let's keep niveum out of this discussion. There are a few more species that have purple undersides... Let me clarify this, These are not my findings, a trait or not, we need to look at more plants that have been properly identified. What about the differences on the upper side of the leaves, the tooth....

Don't forget the original description is based on one or a few plants. Even if the pure white pouch was mentioned in the original, but the later population might have a few spots... it would be way too extreme to disqualify a plant because it has A spot/even a few spots on the pouch while everything else fits for that species.

I agree with your observation about how Kew handled some of the identification. but just remember some of the early collected godefroyae plants have very different looks (much skinnier/less full, unlike the full flower of the leucochilum).
I would agree we should treat all of the leucochilum (with pure white/ few spots on the pouch) as a variety of godefroyae...but like the pope said, "Who I am to judge" LOL!

Carry on! Where is Leslie? I believe he is the one who started this and keeps "provoking" the T.E.I.L....I am too busy around here and I am out!

<blockquote data-quote="Tom-DE" data-source="post: 755472" data-attributes="member: 14503">Let&#039;s keep niveum out of this discussion. There are a few more species that have purple undersides... Let me clarify this, These are not my findings, a trait or not, we need to look at more plants that have been properly identified. What about the differences on the upper side of the leaves, the tooth....Don&#039;t forget the original description is based on one or a few plants. Even if the pure white pouch was mentioned in the original, but the later population might have a few spots... it would be way too extreme to disqualify a plant because it has A spot/even a few spots on the pouch while everything else fits for that species.I agree with your observation about how Kew handled some of the identification. but just remember some of the early collected godefroyae plants have very different looks (much skinnier/less full, unlike the full flower of the leucochilum).I would agree we should treat all of the leucochilum (with pure white/ few spots on the pouch) as a variety of godefroyae...but like the pope said, &quot;Who I am to judge&quot; LOL!Carry on! Where is Leslie? I believe he is the one who started this and keeps &quot;provoking&quot; the T.E.I.L....I am too busy around here and I am out!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tom-DE, post: 755472, member: 14503"] Let's keep niveum out of this discussion. There are a few more species that have purple undersides... Let me clarify this, These are not my findings, a trait or not, we need to look at more plants that have been properly identified. What about the differences on the upper side of the leaves, the tooth.... Don't forget the original description is based on one or a few plants. Even if the pure white pouch was mentioned in the original, but the later population might have a few spots... it would be way too extreme to disqualify a plant because it has A spot/even a few spots on the pouch while everything else fits for that species. I agree with your observation about how Kew handled some of the identification. but just remember some of the early collected godefroyae plants have very different looks (much skinnier/less full, unlike the full flower of the leucochilum). I would agree we should treat all of the leucochilum (with pure white/ few spots on the pouch) as a variety of godefroyae...but like the pope said, "Who I am to judge" LOL! Carry on! Where is Leslie? I believe he is the one who started this and keeps "provoking" the T.E.I.L....I am too busy around here and I am out! [/QUOTE]

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