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Ayreon
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Robert Barry = roth x Julius
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nikv
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Still see a lot of lowii influence in that one, even thought it's only 25%. Beautiful flower!
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biothanasis
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A beauty multi...
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Paph_LdyMacBeth
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That is very very nice. A great mix.
My dad's name is Robert Barry. I'll have to share this with him.
Funny story, he was named after my grandfather (also Robert Barry) only we found out after he passed away he was actually Robert Barrie.
My dad's name is Robert Barry. I'll have to share this with him.
Funny story, he was named after my grandfather (also Robert Barry) only we found out after he passed away he was actually Robert Barrie.
SlipperFan
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That is nice!
JeanLux
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KyushuCalanthe
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Very elegant.
toddybear
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Well Done...it's A Beauty!
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goldenrose
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:clap: :drool: Nice one! :clap: :clap:
John M
Orchid Addict
Ayreon; It's a lovely flower. Definitely a keeper; but, I don't think it's a true Robert Barry. It looks exactly like a Julius, which pretty much looks intermediate between the two species involved. I just don't buy that this is 75% roth and only 25% lowii.
Are you sure that the parents were roth x Julius? Could they have been Julius x roth? If the capsule was on a Julius, then, an accidental selfing could've occurred when the breeder was adding the roth pollen. That would create a capsule with both Julius selfings and the new hybrid Robert Barry....and you just happened to get one of the Julius selfings.
If you're not 100% certain that the parents were a roth and a Julius, whichever way around, then of course, there is also the possibility that this is from a selfing of a Robert Barry. In that case, there would be some very Julius-looking offspring and some very roth-looking offspring and some intermediate-looking offspring. For comparison, here is a very roth-looking Robert Barry by our very own Candace...http://www.elkgroveorchids.net/images/RobertBarry.jpg
Are you sure that the parents were roth x Julius? Could they have been Julius x roth? If the capsule was on a Julius, then, an accidental selfing could've occurred when the breeder was adding the roth pollen. That would create a capsule with both Julius selfings and the new hybrid Robert Barry....and you just happened to get one of the Julius selfings.
If you're not 100% certain that the parents were a roth and a Julius, whichever way around, then of course, there is also the possibility that this is from a selfing of a Robert Barry. In that case, there would be some very Julius-looking offspring and some very roth-looking offspring and some intermediate-looking offspring. For comparison, here is a very roth-looking Robert Barry by our very own Candace...http://www.elkgroveorchids.net/images/RobertBarry.jpg
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Ayreon
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You are right. It's Julius x roth.
The tag says
Julius 'Albuch' BM/D.O.G x rothshildianum 'ulm'
and it comes from Röllke.
I agree. It looks very much like a Julius. But I haven't seen any other pic of a Robert Barry except for the one Candace showed so it's hard to know.
The tag says
Julius 'Albuch' BM/D.O.G x rothshildianum 'ulm'
and it comes from Röllke.
I agree. It looks very much like a Julius. But I haven't seen any other pic of a Robert Barry except for the one Candace showed so it's hard to know.
WolfDog1 (C. Williams)
Well-Known Member
A very nice flower none the less.
It does look like a Julius to me as well.
Craig
It does look like a Julius to me as well.
Craig
John M
Orchid Addict
I don't know the vendor; but, if he's a decent sort of person, he might admit if he knows that there has been a bit of a mixup. You're right, there sure aren't many photos of Robert Barry around to compare. So, without the breeder's input, it is hard to know. Gorgeous flower anyway.
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Ayreon
Guest
I got an answer from the breeder today.
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I checked our stud book carefully and can confirm you, that the cross is
correct. Because I got both plants during the show in Neu-Ulm, and made
the cross right away. There is no chance, that the pollen was mixed up.
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I checked our stud book carefully and can confirm you, that the cross is
correct. Because I got both plants during the show in Neu-Ulm, and made
the cross right away. There is no chance, that the pollen was mixed up.
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etex
Guest
It is a beauty! Very dignified blooms.
John M
Orchid Addict
Well, okay; but, I guess he didn't actually have to mix-up the pollen. All that was needed was for him to have a shaky hand while placing the roth pollen on the Julius. If he bumped into the pollen of the Julius, while placing the rot pollen on the stigma, he could've conceivably transfered a small amount of Julius pollen to the stigma along with the roth pollen. He'll only know this if he finds that some seedlings look like Robert Barry and a small percantage look like Julius. Really my opinion doesn't matter, as long as you like your flower. However, if it were my plant, I would put a question mark on the name tage. It just looks too much like a pure Julius and not enough like something that should be 75% roth. I consider the breeder's answer to be motivated by pride and an unwillingness to admit to an unfortunate mistake.....or at least, the possibility of one.
Also, I wonder if he made the reciprocal cross (roth x Julius)? If he did, his technique and attention to pollen hygiene are vitally important here. If he made the (roth x Julius) cross first, then used the same tool to make the Julius x roth cross, that means some Julius pollen would be on the tool when transfering the roth pollen to the Julius. That would result in some of the seedlings in the Julius x roth capsule to actually be Julius x self.
