Phrag. Demetria X

[goldenrose]

Got this out of the grow trays when Chuck Acker had a sale 4 years ago. It is Demetria x wallisii (or now warscew_____?). Not finding it's been registered.

 

[Shiva]

Nice!

 

[Ernie]

Hmmm. It's neat, but I never woulda made the cross. Demetria is good for color, wallisii (whatever) washes out color. It gave a wallisii with some highlights. I can respect that I suppose.

 

[Erythrone]

An interesting fantomn-like flower!

 

[likespaphs]

...I never woulda made the cross.....

i wonder if the person who made it was using it as a stepping stone cross, kinda like they do with alba/album x normal colored crosses which they then make sib crosses until the alba/um comes back
(did that make sense?)

 

[NYEric]

no! oke:

 

[Ernie]

i wonder if the person who made it was using it as a stepping stone cross, kinda like they do with alba/album x normal colored crosses which they then make sib crosses until the alba/um comes back
(did that make sense?)

Probably. Chuck Acker always has a plan. He has a great hybridizer's eye and can see several generation down the line with Phrags. He's also a fantastic grower, thumbing his nose at Wisconsin weather!

 

[SlipperFan]

Hmmm. It's neat, but I never woulda made the cross. Demetria is good for color, wallisii (whatever) washes out color. It gave a wallisii with some highlights. I can respect that I suppose.

I respectfully disagree. The soft subtle color is very attractive, at least to me. Not everything has to be dark or bright. Or round!

 

[koshki]

Probably. Chuck Acker always has a plan. He has a great hybridizer's eye and can see several generation down the line with Phrags. He's also a fantastic grower, thumbing his nose at Wisconsin weather!

So what would you guess is his next move with this hybrid?

Which, by the way, I also find attractive. I don't usually go for the greenish phrags, but this has just enough color to be interesting to me. It also has a very graceful shape, like ballet slippers with the ribbons undone. (Does that sound weird?)

 

[goldenrose]

Interesting comments! All of the above have gone thru my head as well.
If Chuck were going to go somewhere with this cross & as Ernie said he always has a plan, why is it not registered? The other crosses I got at the same time have been registered. This to me is a slow grower so maybe it has been for others too & the registration is in progress?
I like wallisii so it definitely is more wallisii-like than Demetria. Right now it's a nice compact plant & I think it's gonna pretty much remain that way. I'm with Dot, I do like the soft pastels, it's different!

 

[W. Beetus]

I respectfully disagree. The soft subtle color is very attractive, at least to me. Not everything has to be dark or bright. Or round!

I agree. I really like the soft pink undertone on the pouch combined with the darker pink petals. Very nice bloom!

 

[Ernie]

I agree that it's neat, I guess it's just not for me. I love the long petaled Phrags (ie not round ones), but I prefer them like I like my beer- DARK. So, that means I tend to shy away from 'wallisii' hybrids- I'll take a Wossner Supergrande over a Paul Eugene Conroy any day! Or, more obviously a warscewiczianum over wallsiii (old school names).

Demetria is a slow grower for us.

Hard to say what Chuck's plan is. If it has a compact plant habit, that's certainly desirable. Maybe mixing it onto something besseae flavum-ish to get peachy, long petaled stuff?

 

[phrag guy]

looks fine,probally going for compact growth to cross to another compact growth so they don't take up as much room and more people can grow them

 

[goldenrose]

.... So, that means I tend to shy away from 'wallisii' hybrids- I'll take a Wossner Supergrande over a Paul Eugene Conroy any day! Or, more obviously a warscewiczianum over wallsiii (old school names).

Demetria is a slow grower for us.

Hard to say what Chuck's plan is. If it has a compact plant habit, that's certainly desirable. Maybe mixing it onto something besseae flavum-ish to get peachy, long petaled stuff?

I have both of them too, it's the addiction in me, what can I say, I love the looong petals!
Demetria = slow, isn't wallisii considered to be a slow grower too? Hmm ... that could be the answer as to why it's not registered, not pursuing that line with the results????

looks fine,probally going for compact growth to cross to another compact growth so they don't take up as much room and more people can grow them

could be .......
should we just keep guessing or should I email him!

 

[Heather]

I'd email him! I bet he'll answer! Tell him all of us at ST have been speculating...

 

[Phrag-Plus]

Very nice coloration! I like those pastel tone too lots of potential!

 

[goldenrose]

Update, kinda

I'd email him! I bet he'll answer! Tell him all of us at ST have been speculating...

I did! I don't quite have the total answer yet. He likes the cross, likes the pastel shades and agrees it's compact & slow growing. He didn't name it, he gave me permission to register it if I'd like! Right now he doesn't plan on going forward with it as he's having a hard time finding a competent flasking service, ... lost 27 Pk X's, a year's worth of breeding :sob::sob:
I'm going to pick his brain, I made some paph crosses & it looks like they took, I was thinking of trying a couple of phrags X's but that's another thread!

 

[Erythrone]

OMG.... lot 27 Pk X's!!!

Not a funny thing.....