One of the best besseae hybrids I've ever seen was a Phrag Jason Fischer the last year to the GNYOS show. It was not considered because it only had one flower but it was the biggest, darkest I'd seen until this year when I saw some of Glen Decker's Pk hybrids in bloom. If I had to chose a red besseae hybrid, and Dr Rob and I go back and forth about this, I'd have to chose between a Jason Fischer and an Atsuko Fischer.. :drool: