Phrag. schlimii
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John M
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Beautiful! Heavily fragrant is a nice plus. Are you sure it's schlimii and not mansurii? I'm NO expert; but, this does seem to look a lot like some of the manzurii photos I've seen....assuming that the photos were properly labelled.
Good point. However manzurii does not have fenestrations on the pouch and I have never heard/read where manzurii is fragrant. Also, manzurii has small teeth/ridges along the rim of the pouch and on this one they are not as pronounced as I would expect for manzurii. On the other hand, this clone has never had heavy spotting proximally on the petals like many schlimii.
I added a side photo of the pouch to the above thread.
I added a side photo of the pouch to the above thread.
Gorgeous flower and I love to sniff flowers...well, maybe
not Bulbos. The bloom looks so delicate like fine china.
not Bulbos. The bloom looks so delicate like fine china.
John M
Orchid Addict
You've got a few good points, Eron. It certainly is a light coloured schlimii. I guess the lack of strong pink has made the yellow of the staminode stand out to my eye, making me think of manzurii. It's a lovely flower.
Ummmm, are you sure? That looks like Colombiana!! Source?? 
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MaryPientka
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Gorgeous!
SlipperFan
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Colombiana???
Marco
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I love this one. Definitely on the phrag list when that time comes.
Thanks.
Thanks.
XColombiana
Marco I think when phrag time comes you may be the one for whom the bell tolls
Marco I think when phrag time comes you may be the one for whom the bell tolls
SlipperFan
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XColombiana
Oh. Thanks.
That's an interesting possibility which I have thought of before. However, I have referenced the article published by Olaf Gruss (in 2011 in the Slipper Orchid Alliance Newsletter) on Phrag. xcolombianum who described the natural hybrid. It's hard to tell from the pictures Olaf provides of it to give a definitive answer.
Also, see the xcolombianum picture in Olaf's thread I copied below which clearly shows a different staminode and color pattern. All pictures that Olaf provides have very bold pouch colors.
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27150
However it would be really cool if it was xcolombianum but again, there is no mention of fragrance.
I have only bloomed this plant during the warmer months so it would be interesting to see if the color and spots differ from a bloom during the cooler months.
Also, see the xcolombianum picture in Olaf's thread I copied below which clearly shows a different staminode and color pattern. All pictures that Olaf provides have very bold pouch colors.
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27150
However it would be really cool if it was xcolombianum but again, there is no mention of fragrance.
I have only bloomed this plant during the warmer months so it would be interesting to see if the color and spots differ from a bloom during the cooler months.
There are more photos in Olaf's book, it looks like some of those of x colombiana. In all the photos of schlimii in the book, the dark color in the stami shield is in 2 almost separate spots.
eteson
Phragmad
Nice Flower Eron,
It is one of those intermediate members from the Eastern Cordillera (between manzurii and schlimii) it does have quite well developed fenestrations so it is not a pure manzurii but seems to me very close...
It would be called x colombianum if we follow to Olaf, but some people would call it manzurii.
BTW manzurii is strongly scenced, specially the var. albiflorum and also most part of xColombianum.
It is one of those intermediate members from the Eastern Cordillera (between manzurii and schlimii) it does have quite well developed fenestrations so it is not a pure manzurii but seems to me very close...
It would be called x colombianum if we follow to Olaf, but some people would call it manzurii.
BTW manzurii is strongly scenced, specially the var. albiflorum and also most part of xColombianum.
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Marco
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Charles - Possibly but that will not be for another couple of years. Then phrags and paphs will get an increased focus. Hopefully by then I win the lotto and will not have to work anymore.
Kawarthapine
Kawarthapine
A real beauty...one way or the other!
Thank you Eliseo for this information and also Eric for the additional source. I don't have his new book and I really wish they would publish it in English.
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17andgrowing
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Very, very nice.
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
A job well done Eron. So, are now going to call it xcolombianum?
Not sure. Since it was bought as schlimii, I would like to see if there is any variation on the next blooming in different conditions. So far, all the blooms have been uniform on this blooming.
