Phrag Wossner Supergrande

[Erythrone]

I bought it on 2004 as Schroderae. Of course it is not. The grower told me that it should be Phragmipedium Wossner Supergrande (Photo : Marsh 2010).

 

[Ernie]

Holy smokes! Where'd we find this guy! What a great grower. Keep it up!

 

[Erythrone]

Thanks Ernie!!

(... the guy is a girl...)

And unfortunatly all my plants are not like this... (or fortunatly??? this plant take the place of so many compact ones! )

And I don't like to take pictures of the starving ones...

Lise

 

[John M]

Awesome growing!

 

[Ernie]

My bad, Lise!

 

[JeanLux]

Wow, that's one plant!!!! Unfortunately they need lots of space!!! Jean

 

[quietaustralian]

One of my favorites. Great growing :clap:

 

[Clark]

Nice petals.

 

[Shiva]

Great growing Lise.

 

[SlipperKing]

Very cleanly grown plant! Nice looking flowers as well. What's the cross?

 

[Mathias]

Fantastic plant!

 

[phrag guy]

very nice,great plant

 

[goldenrose]

:drool::drool::drool: LOVE IT!!!!

Very cleanly grown plant! Nice looking flowers as well. What's the cross?

...should be Wossner Supergrande (warscew. x long.) as title indicates, do you agree?

 

[Ernie]

:drool::drool::drool: LOVE IT!!!!

...should be Wossner Supergrande (warscew. x long.) as title indicates, do you agree?

Was waiting for someone else with a can opener to release the worms. Looks too light in coloration to be W Supergrande to me, I think it's a regular Grande (caudatum X long), but who am I to say.

 

[chrismende]

Whatever it is, it's leading me in the direction of getting more phrags!

 

[goldenrose]

Was waiting for someone else with a can opener to release the worms. Looks too light in coloration to be W Supergrande to me, I think it's a regular Grande (caudatum X long), but who am I to say.

That was my first thought but could it be the lighting? We might be splitting hairs, wasn't warscew. at one time a variety of caudatum? There certainly would be normal color variance in the cross.

 

[Erythrone]

thanks everybody!!!

So many of you are not sure it is WSupergrande... I am not sure too... The grower told me that it is "probably" WS....

I saw some plants of that grex at shows and saw many pictures. I don't really recognise my plant because the flowers seem to be smaller, the stalk is rather short. And yes... the coloration is maybe too light too...

I am tired of wrong labels!

 

[NYEric]

Very nice. Were you at the Montreal show early this year? I was working for Joe Kunisch there. BTW, it doesn't matter which it is; all those green phrags look alike! :evil:

 

[goldenrose]

thanks everybody!!!

So many of you are not sure it is WSupergrande... I am not sure too... The grower told me that it is "probably" WS....
I saw some plants of that grex at shows and saw many pictures. I don't really recognise my plant because the flowers seem to be smaller, the stalk is rather short. And yes... the coloration is maybe too light too...
I am tired of wrong labels!

As others have said & will continue to do so - It's a gorgeous well grown, well flowered plant, regardless of what it turns out to be! It might not be labeled wrong or it could have been labeled as correctly as possible at that point in time. When they start making name changes &/ reclassifying, heck I don't change my labels, I can imagine being a commercial grower & having a whole bunch of these on the bench. Seeing I opened the can .....
I went to RHS site to see when W.Supergrande when registered, nothing came up, made no difference if I seperated super & grande or added % sign. Then went to Rob's site, here's what it said:
Comments : An interesting remark was published as a Registrar's Note in the Supplement of New Orchid Hybrids to The Orchid Review, May-Jun 2003, Vol. 111, No. 1251. I quote:
"Phragmipedium Grande. There appear to be two different grexes grown under this name. The original Phrag. Grande is Phrag. caudatum x Phrag. longifolium with a basically green flower and a little red-bronze or mahogany colouring on the pouch. It is illustrated in Reichenbachia 2nd series, 1: t.16 (1892) which plate is reproduced in Die Orchidee 44(6): 284 (1993). The other grex is Phrag. warscewiczianum x Phrag. longifolium for which the registered name Phrag. Wössner Supergrande is available. This grex produces flowers which are much darker in colour with more mahogany-red on the pouch, cf. illustration in Die Orchidee 44(6): 296 (1993). Probably, this confusion has arisen because Phrag. warscewiczianum was at one time registered as Phrag. caudatum var. warscewiczianum."
If you go to species & click warszewiczianum the description says "leaves - shorter & wider, dark green. Flowers - staminode is even & has shape of transverse rectangle. The mouth of lip a yellow-brown color."
The lighter color of your blooms indicate Grande, what does the staminode look like?

 

[Erythrone]

Yes, Eric, I visited the show (and I bought many plants... of course).

Bloomfield Orchids?

So we met each other and we didn't know?

You says : BTW, it doesn't matter which it is; all those green phrags look alike. Maybe you prefer besseae hybrids (yeah!!) like me...