Sanderianum plant photo
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SlipperFan
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Looks healthy. How long before it blooms???
Wendy
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Thanks Dot. I assume about 2 years at the rate it is growing.
I posted this photo for Clark E as he has asked about the leaf growth on this particular cross.
I posted this photo for Clark E as he has asked about the leaf growth on this particular cross.
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Clark
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Thanks Wendy for showing me your sand. Here is same name.
I'll tell you I bought Feb. '07. Attended greenhouse event with vendor as guest speaker. Told speaker owned plant nearly 2 yrs. Gave congrats on keeping it alive and w/o blinking asked if leaves elongated. Did he hit a bullseye? Grown windowsill/sliding glassdoor and outside. Last 2 months under lights. 3 1/2 inch pot.
BTW, I consider this my first purchase, as my wife did the buying 16 hrs. prior.
Comments welcome. Sunside.
Backside. 4 growths.
I'll tell you I bought Feb. '07. Attended greenhouse event with vendor as guest speaker. Told speaker owned plant nearly 2 yrs. Gave congrats on keeping it alive and w/o blinking asked if leaves elongated. Did he hit a bullseye? Grown windowsill/sliding glassdoor and outside. Last 2 months under lights. 3 1/2 inch pot.
BTW, I consider this my first purchase, as my wife did the buying 16 hrs. prior.
Comments welcome. Sunside.
Backside. 4 growths.
Wendy
Just me!
Your plant looks like it has much shorter leaves than mine. My plant is only a seedling still. Yours also looks like it gets higher light levels....are the leaves really that light green? I grow mine in bright Phal light.
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Clark
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Without glare from light, yes leaves are light green.
It gets alot of light.
It gets alot of light.
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
Here are my two largest plants. The PIC was taken Aug of 08. The plant on the right was 20+ inches the left ~18 inches. The parents of the plant on the right are 'HS Select' X 'Bears Select'. I bought it in 4/05 as a 5-6 inch seedling, 150 bucks I might add The plant on the left started out with wide leaves but now both are the same. I got it from Orchid Babies with a tag that said "Paph sanderianum" no parents listed. It was a bit larger and a whole lot cheaper at the time of purchase.
Here is the first one as of today.....I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it blooms true! I should add it's ~22inches NS
The plant on the left started out with wide leaves but now both are the same. I got it from Orchid Babies with a tag that said "Paph sanderianum" no parents listed. It was a bit larger and a whole lot cheaper at the time of purchase.
Here is the first one as of today.....I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it blooms true! I should add it's ~22inches NS
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SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
You should back off on the light levels Clark. Its been reported levels in nature at 800 fc
JeanLux
Well-Known Member
Wow Rick!!!! a spike and a new growth on a sandy :drool::drool:!!!! Good luck!!! Jean
Slipperking, great growing sands... It's funny, I have 2 HS Select x Bear select - out of fun I bought a few seedlings, their spike is exactly at the same point as yours. Usually 4 weeks from that stage and they are in bloom.
Can be any of two things :
- Nutrition problem. Sands are very picky, and when they have a feeding problem their leaves tends to bleach out up to a nice white color. At that stage the plant collapse...
- Proliferated plant - cull - from the flasks. Some growers have been so greedy that they bought flasks of sand, usually 1-2 and used hormons to make far more seedlings. It's a very well known trick that I an give a hint here, at the base of the seedlings there is usually still the protocorm, or a structure made with a tiny rhizome and a few nodes. Many labs are asked to cut that and replant it in a media that is very high - to my taste, but for hormones anything over 1mg/L in TC is already far too high, people have to go back to R&D or school if they use more - in 2iP+BAP. It makes masses of clone-like seedlings. Typically they are weaker, make multiple shoots from the base, muted.
That's why too I would not recommend the small plants of HS Select x Bear select that are on sale at present time. They are already 6-7 years old in flask.
Wendy plant has leaves a bit more typical of too much light, and most important, of intoxication - the mottling is typical. Try to drench with Dithane, and the problem will be gone for a while.
One thing I no longer use in sands mixes is sphagnum moss... So far it makes nice roots, but there is a reaction that is not pH-dependant in my experience that makes the plants look bleached out after a while. At present time they are in Orchiata pine bark and fine sandy limestone powder, I must say that the rooting is absolutely fantastic. The sandy limestone powder helps to keep a lot of moisture in the mix.
Can be any of two things :
- Nutrition problem. Sands are very picky, and when they have a feeding problem their leaves tends to bleach out up to a nice white color. At that stage the plant collapse...
- Proliferated plant - cull - from the flasks. Some growers have been so greedy that they bought flasks of sand, usually 1-2 and used hormons to make far more seedlings. It's a very well known trick that I an give a hint here, at the base of the seedlings there is usually still the protocorm, or a structure made with a tiny rhizome and a few nodes. Many labs are asked to cut that and replant it in a media that is very high - to my taste, but for hormones anything over 1mg/L in TC is already far too high, people have to go back to R&D or school if they use more - in 2iP+BAP. It makes masses of clone-like seedlings. Typically they are weaker, make multiple shoots from the base, muted.
That's why too I would not recommend the small plants of HS Select x Bear select that are on sale at present time. They are already 6-7 years old in flask.
Wendy plant has leaves a bit more typical of too much light, and most important, of intoxication - the mottling is typical. Try to drench with Dithane, and the problem will be gone for a while.
One thing I no longer use in sands mixes is sphagnum moss... So far it makes nice roots, but there is a reaction that is not pH-dependant in my experience that makes the plants look bleached out after a while. At present time they are in Orchiata pine bark and fine sandy limestone powder, I must say that the rooting is absolutely fantastic. The sandy limestone powder helps to keep a lot of moisture in the mix.
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
Also, thanks for the culture tips on sandies mine are in a std mix but I add oyster shell + bonemeal once in awhile.
Wendy
Just me!
Thank you for the tips. I should add that my plant does not have that much mottling of the leaves....it made it seem like much more with the camera flash.
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Clark
Guest
Thank you Wendy and Rick, your plants look like something I had more in mind.
Thank you Sanderianum for production and chemistry lesson.
After nearly 3 yrs. of same feeding habit, would a nutritional problem be correctable? Or show this sand to the curb?
Sphag- I use this on top, rest of mix is medium fir bark, poultry grit.
Been following posts about Orchiata, had this in mind for next repot of other group of sand seedlings.
Thank you. I owe you one.
Thank you Sanderianum for production and chemistry lesson.
After nearly 3 yrs. of same feeding habit, would a nutritional problem be correctable? Or show this sand to the curb?
Sphag- I use this on top, rest of mix is medium fir bark, poultry grit.
Been following posts about Orchiata, had this in mind for next repot of other group of sand seedlings.
Thank you. I owe you one.
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
I just checked the tag on the second sandie and Orchid Babies got it from Quintal Farms. Does anyone have sandies from QF that have parents listed?
