Flower deformities 2

[Roy]

This pic is of P.Oleanus, many clones have flowered and have been ok. This is again as per my first post, shows the risk we all face when buying brachy paphs bred with anything other than another brachy. There are exceptions of course, where very few if any deformities are experienced and how do we know which crosses???

 

[rdlsreno]

Looks like a ugly Zombie!!


Ramon

 

[paphioboy]

OMG... I would rather have it not flowering at all, if I knew it were to be so horrendous...

 

[tocarmar]

A face only a mother could love!!

Tom

 

[SlipperKing]

"Thanks" Roy for the posting! That's going to muff up my whole day:sob:
Hey, we should start an ugly slipper contest like other forums do.

 

[Roy]

The ugly slipper contest could produce enough pics to put everyone off growing paphs. I don't want to put people off growing different crosses of Paphs, I just want to highlight the risks faced when buying seedling crosses of 2 totally different families of paphs. ( as per crosses shown )
I doubt if any nursery will show or announce the problems with a cross, its left to the purchaser in forums like this.

 

[NYEric]

Whats the foliage look like on these crosses?

 

[Roy]

Eric, they seem to be narrower in foliage and a tighter in the centre which can show as a twisting or ribbing in the leaves OR they may appear as normal plant but a much flatter growing plant, they may have all these problems. They don't aways grow as fast as good clones.

 

[NYEric]

I just meant that maybe it makes up for the face w/ a cute body.

 

[SlipperKing]

I just meant that maybe it makes up for the face w/ a cute body.

:rollhappy::rollhappy::crazy: Eric, you are too funny IMAO

 

[SlipperFan]

The discussion on this hybrid reminds me of the nursery rhyme:
There was a little girl
who had a little curl
right in the middle of her forehead.
When she was good,
she was very very good.
But when she was bad,
she was horrid!

 

[Eric Muehlbauer]

I'll never forget the sight I saw in a flower district plant shop one time years ago...a whole row of about 20 complex paphs, every single one hideously deformed...making this one look like an FCC. I wonder if anyone bought those plants.....................Eric

 

[Ross]

Just an observation: both crosses used bellatulum as a parent. Do the same results hold true on crosses made with concolor, niveum, and godefroyae?

 

[Roy]

Just an observation: both crosses used bellatulum as a parent. Do the same results hold true on crosses made with concolor, niveum, and godefroyae?

This is a great question. From my experience and observations, concolor & niveum crosses seem to give the least amount of deformities (then closely followed by delenatii.)
Registered crosses with,

concolor = 125
niveum = 202
delenatii = 175
bellatulum = 300
godefroyae = 146

Once you get into bellatulum, godefroyae/leucochilum crosses the problems occur. There are a lot of crosses that appear around the world that don't get down under and its hard to comment on these. This where it becomes the job of fellow growers to come forward to tell their story.
This is where the tales of P. Rolfei come in as, won't flower etc and other Brachy x Multiflorals that also won't flower and the deformities produced ( as has been shown in this forum ). A noted Taiwan Paph grower that has 1000's of plants of these crosses that won't flower or are deformed and will be dumped in the garbage when flowered or when the space is required.
With P. hangianum crosses starting to flower, it will be interesting to see what will happen in the way of deformities ( if any ) in the flowers given the variety of Paph parents used with it and whether or not they flower easily or have the same reluctance as the above.

 

[bench72]

just so not everyone gets put off trying out some of these crosses, I have the same cross and it kinda turned out ok....

 

[Roy]

Thats not a bad flower & great color. It still has the color breaks in the petals whichis almost manditory for the cross. I like it though.

 

[SlipperKing]

Bench72's flower is fantastic for the cross and what leaf I can see is "normal". Which tells you, don't buy hybrids (or species for that matter) with weird or deformed leaves. Such as, white streaks running the lengh of the leaf, thickened ridges running in the same manner, less so, tightly folded leaves coming from the crown etc...

Just my thoughts, Rick H

 

[Roy]

Bench72's flower is fantastic for the cross and what leaf I can see is "normal". Which tells you, don't buy hybrids (or species for that matter) with weird or deformed leaves. Such as, white streaks running the lengh of the leaf, thickened ridges running in the same manner, less so, tightly folded leaves coming from the crown etc...

Just my thoughts, Rick H

Very close to being exactly right. Apparently this formula is being used for buying Maudiae type hybrids from Taiwan now.