La Vingtaine and Glen Decker

[Silvan]

Not sure what is the difference between those two crosses. I know hybrids with kovachii tend to have a similar flower. But that’s ridiculous! Anyway, La Vingtaine on the left and Glen Decker on the right

 

[monocotman]

Both look excellent!

 

[terryros]

I have grown and bloomed Glen Decker, which is Jason Fischer x kovachii. La Vingtaine is a step earlier in evolution because it is Mem. **** Clements x kovachii. The parents make a huge difference in these crosses in terms of size, roundness, and coloration. Yours look very nice.

 

[abax]

The blooms look very similar to me. I have two LaV that haven't bloomed yet and never had Glen Decker at all.
I like both flowers very much. The kov. influence is obvious, however, I don't really understand what exactly
the breeders were trying to improve with this type of breeding.

 

[NYEric]

Hmmmmm, Glen Decker should have the deeper color. Yay besseae hybrids!

 

[abax]

Terryros, can you explain the earlier evolution of LaV please? I have two of them and they are very slow growers and
I don't understand why. I bought them from a very reputable Phrag dealer that is quite popular on ST and my growing
conditions are excellent in my gh. All my Phrags. from Tom are doing exceptionally well.

 

[monocotman]

Angela,
my La Vingtaine grew normally and at the same rate as other phrags. Maybe it’s down to the parents.
David

 

[terryros]

Terryros, can you explain the earlier evolution of LaV please? I have two of them and they are very slow growers and
I don't understand why. I bought them from a very reputable Phrag dealer that is quite popular on ST and my growing
conditions are excellent in my gh. All my Phrags. from Tom are doing exceptionally well.

I only meant that Mem. **** Clements in LaV is a generation earlier in breeding than Jason Fischer (which is Mem. **** Clements crossed back to besseae). Both LaVingtaine and Glen Decker are 50% kovachii, but Glen Decker has a higher proportion of besseae genes and a lower proportion of sargentianum. You might expect that Glen Decker would be a little smaller and a little rounder than LaVingtaine.

 

[abax]

Thank you, terryros. Perhaps the besseae contribution to LaV is the slow growing problem in my warm/intermediate
gh. I'm going to do more research on the crosses I have with besseae in the mix.

 

[awesomei]

Good morning,
I have mainly phrags in my GH. I sort of specialize in them. I have no trouble growing kovachii or it's crosses. I have bloomed very many and even won a few awards. I have had 3 Glen deckers and killed them all. I am without any at the moment. The only one that I did bloom was quite unimpressive. On the other hand my LV grow great and very nice size with nice blooms simulair to the ones pictured. I just don't understand why I have such trouble with GD?
George

 

[NYEric]

George, where are you growing yours. Silvan is in Montreal and I'm sure the cool temps/times help his besseae and kovachii growing.

 

[awesomei]

Sadly, Dallas Texas

 

[abax]

Interesting discussion. I have two Fritz Schomburg 3N and both bloom well. Perhaps, awesomei, we should exchange
Phrags. ;>) or locations. The LaVs are maturing new growth finally, but soooo sloooow. I also have Barbara LeAnn 'Fox
Croft' and Geilgelstein ( reticulated X besseae var falvum) that are duds so far in my gh.

 

[e-spice]

Both look great and are very nicely grown.

 

[Silvan]

Hmmmmm, Glen Decker should have the deeper color. Yay besseae hybrids!

Maybe if it was made with a selected clone of Jason Fischer it would be Or bloomed in winter..