Thank you very much for the information. A group of us here made some large purchases from Orchid Babies after the owner died and the wife was trying to clear out the greenhouses. I looked for a clonal name ending in -ely') for the Paph S. Gratrix but didn't find one. Remember Sam Tsui was making a visit to our orchid society and I showed him a list of the breeding stock being sold. He said most were older stock that had since been overtaken by improved line breeding, etc.