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[dodidoki]

Plant from vietnam forest.any idea???

 

[troy]

Premie armeniacum?

 

[dodidoki]

I don't know at all. So I asked....

 

[PaphMadMan]

I'm not sure Paph armeniacum has ever been found in Vietnam, usually listed just in Yunnan Province, perhaps into Myanmar. This flower would be small for that species, with proportionally large staminode and small pouch. Perhaps an under-developed bud opened by hand? (a premie as troy suggests) Still, I don't think there is any other described species it could be.

Is there a picture of the whole plant available?

 

[dodidoki]

I'm not sure Paph armeniacum has ever been found in Vietnam, usually listed just in Yunnan Province, perhaps into Myanmar. This flower would be small for that species, with proportionally large staminode and small pouch. Perhaps an under-developed bud opened by hand? (a premie as troy suggests) Still, I don't think there is any other described species it could be.

Is there a picture of the whole plant available?

 

[John M]

Paph. armeniacum....probably a stress blooming which would account for the overall small size and the small pouch. The staminode shield is normal-sized; but, the rest of the flower should've enlarged considerably as the bud opened. However, flowers don't enlarge properly if the plant is weak, or stressed. So, that leaves you with a large, oversized (relatively speaking), staminode shield with the rest of the flower being undersized. So, perhaps armeniacum is also found in Vietnam; or the information given to you about it's origin is false.

Also of note: The colour is very faded compared to a normal armeniacum. That could be just a regional difference (if this plant is truly from Vietnam), or it also could be a sign of severe stress. I see this fading of colour in plants (foliage and flowers), that go too dry at some point during the later stages of bud development. So, with good culture, this plant could rebloom with a large, correctly proportional, deep yellow flower and clearly show itself to be a normal armeniacum. Time (and reblooming), will tell.....

 

[dodidoki]

Paph. armeniacum....probably a stress blooming which would account for the overall small size and the small pouch. The staminode shield is normal-sized; but, the rest of the flower should've enlarged considerably as the bud opened. However, flowers don't enlarge properly if the plant is weak, or stressed. So, that leaves you with a large, oversized (relatively speaking), staminode shield with the rest of the flower being undersized. So, perhaps armeniacum is also found in Vietnam; or the information given to you about it's origin is false.

Also of note: The colour is very faded compared to a normal armeniacum. That could be just a regional difference (if this plant is truly from Vietnam), or it also could be a sign of severe stress. I see this fading of colour in plants (foliage and flowers), that go too dry at some point during the later stages of bud development. So, with good culture, this plant could rebloom with a large, correctly proportional, deep yellow flower and clearly show itself to be a normal armeniacum. Time (and reblooming), will tell.....

Many thanks for clear explanation. I have no this plant, one of my friends asked me about its name. I have only these two pictures.

 

[SlipperKing]

It looks from the pictures to be two different flowers/plants. There's probably more to it then just a weak armeniacum. Also, clearly not an armeniacum pouch, shape-wise.

 

[gonewild]

It looks like two different flowers to me also. Flowers also look like they are old and finished rather than new and pried open. If it truly is from the Vietnam forest far from known habitat of armeniacum then there is reason to assume it is a new species.

 

[Happypaphy7]

I agree with what John says.

 

[SlipperMatt]

John has absolutely right. It is an armeniacum for sure.

 

[Ozpaph]

or a hybrid