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[Gcroz]

My head is swimming... seems my understanding of how this all works together wasn't complete.

When you say a tag of "Paphiopedilum hybrid" you mean a tag that does not include the proper parentage info or name of the hybrid?

Also, it was my understanding that Vietnam never released any legal hangianum to the US, or as I understood it any country. Therefore, until Perner started releasing "Chinese" hangianum, shouldn't all the others be fruit of the poisonous tree? How then were these plants entering the US legally for commercial trade?

I admit, it seems there is a lot of misinformation going around. It's also early for me after a long night with a teething baby, so perhaps the brain isn't firing correctly.

 

[NYEric]

Example. If there are plants of hangianum legally in USA, even in an approved rescue center, and I import whatever x hangianum, I can do it legally. BTW, thank you to Sun Moon for their endeavors at Miami WOC. :evil:

 

[SelectOrchids]

Also, it was my understanding that Vietnam never released any legal hangianum to the US, or as I understood it any country. Therefore, until Perner started releasing "Chinese" hangianum, shouldn't all the others be fruit of the poisonous tree? How then were these plants entering the US legally for commercial trade?

No. there has been legal hangianum before Perner ones, from China and from Vietnam. Some are in the CITES trade database, the flasks were not ( exported from Vietnam with the proper permits in 2006...).

 

[Gcroz]

Here is the text from an email regarding my Paph. Chiu Hua Dancer. I hope you can see my confusion regarding the legality of certain Paphs in the US:

"It has been brought to my attention by Ron McHatton, Chief Operating Officer at the AOS, that Paphiopedilum gigantifolium (and its hybrids) is ineligible for AOS judging. Ron is also in charge of Education, Nomenclature, Research and Regional Outreach. Per his note to me on June 29, 2010:

'According to the US Fish & Wildlife, these (note: referring to Paph gigantifolium) are not legally in cultivation anywhere - yes I know they are for sale here ... but there is a disconnect between USDA which clears plants and F&W which enforces CITES. Since no plants of gigantifolium can trace their history to legally obtained material none of their offspring can either. This then makes it impossible to clear them based on the CITES exemption for hybrids of paphiopedilum. Also, the JC voted (approved by the trustees) that we are no longer able to judge any of the post-ban species and their hybrids anywhere in the world unless it's the country of origin and they are collected legally or they have been released into the US by a rescue center.'"

 

[jtrmd]

McHatton responded to an email sent yesterday by my friend about hers and he said that once they receive a copy of the Decker paperwork that the award will be reinstated.I will see if she will forward me the text of the message and I will pos it.

Here is the text from an email regarding my Paph. Chiu Hua Dancer. I hope you can see my confusion regarding the legality of certain Paphs in the US:

"It has been brought to my attention by Ron McHatton, Chief Operating Officer at the AOS, that Paphiopedilum gigantifolium (and its hybrids) is ineligible for AOS judging. Ron is also in charge of Education, Nomenclature, Research and Regional Outreach. Per his note to me on June 29, 2010:

'According to the US Fish & Wildlife, these (note: referring to Paph gigantifolium) are not legally in cultivation anywhere - yes I know they are for sale here ... but there is a disconnect between USDA which clears plants and F&W which enforces CITES. Since no plants of gigantifolium can trace their history to legally obtained material none of their offspring can either. This then makes it impossible to clear them based on the CITES exemption for hybrids of paphiopedilum. Also, the JC voted (approved by the trustees) that we are no longer able to judge any of the post-ban species and their hybrids anywhere in the world unless it's the country of origin and they are collected legally or they have been released into the US by a rescue center.'"

 

[Gcroz]

McHatton responded to an email sent yesterday by my friend about hers and he said that once they receive a copy of the Decker paperwork that the award will be reinstated.I will see if she will forward me the text of the message and I will pos it.

This is good news! I was told in no uncertain terms that since the award had been nullified, I had no recourse and had to have the plant re-judged. I think I'll go and email McHatton tomorrow and see what happens. I'll post the reply!

 

[SelectOrchids]

This is good news! I was told in no uncertain terms that since the award had been nullified, I had no recourse and had to have the plant re-judged. I think I'll go and email McHatton tomorrow and see what happens. I'll post the reply!

Tell him to go to www.cites.org
Resources
Trade Database
Then
Expert mode...
Then import country USA

He can check what the USFWS legally accepted for import, several times gigantifolium, and countless hybrids...

 

[tenman]

Personally, I don't think AOS should be in the habit of playing CITES politics or in the habit of doing USFWS job for them. Stick to judging all orchids and let others enforce the laws and treaties. AOS isn't an enforcement agency...

AMEN!