Paph roebelinii

[SlipperKing]

Hey Rick what are all those plastic jugs on the floor for?

 

[tenman]

http://www.slipperorchids.info/paphdatasheets/polyantha/philippinensevarroebelenii/index.html

According to this reference, roebelenii is not supposed to have green markings.

But I must admit that most of the flowers I've seen labeled as roebelinii have some green on the staminode.

The Braem/Baker book says the original description notes the absence of the green on the staminode.

The problem with 'roebelleniis' with green is that (especially since the ill-fated Cribb book which said it was the same as philippinense), so much interbreeding has been done that the original, Christmas-blooming, small-statured roebbelenii is hard to find. But if the petals are twisty, it's got roebbelenii in it, as philippinense does not have the twisty petals (see Koopowitz's first OD checklist for a pic of the TRUE philippinense). Most of what is out there labelled as philippinense is in fact roebbelenii or a hybrid with it, especially the albas which as far as I have seen are all roebbeleniis.

 

[nikv]

She's a beauty! Does anyone know, is this considered a species in its own right or is it still considered a variety of philippinense?

 

[toddybear]

Gorgeous!

 

[tenman]

She's a beauty! Does anyone know, is this considered a species in its own right or is it still considered a variety of philippinense?

See the post immediately above yours. It's a species, according to the original descriptions. Cribb cited the presence of so many intermediate forms as one justfication for his errant attempt to class it as a variety of phil. That's actually a 'hybrid swarm' of hybrids between the two species and does not indicate they are the same species, just that they have hybridized in the wild as have many, many other legitimate species. Unfortunately indiscriminate crossbreeding has resulted in difficulty in finding examples of the true species in cultivation at this time.

 

[Clark]

Great bloom!
BTW-I have been spiking with Mg. since it was mentioned.
Thank you -BIG TIME!

 

[Rick]

Hey Rick what are all those plastic jugs on the floor for?

Those are collapsible containers of RO water (I steal from work:evil We have a big system at work, so I take home about 5-10 gallons a week.

The system I bought is still in the box in the garage.

 

[Rick]

The Braem/Baker book says the original description notes the absence of the green on the staminode.

But if the petals are twisty, it's got roebbelenii in it, as philippinense does not have the twisty petals (see Koopowitz's first OD checklist for a pic of the TRUE philippinense). Most of what is out there labelled as philippinense is in fact roebbelenii or a hybrid with it, especially the albas which as far as I have seen are all roebbeleniis.

The twisty petals thing has also been bugging me since this is one of the least twisty roebelinii's I've seen. The longest petals are about 23 cm on some flowers, and all the other flower elements are noticeably larger than a normal phili. So I'm still shrugging my shoulders. If it's a standard phili then its a monster!! The plant itself is also very large with a 30" leaf span. Maybe its a polyploid.??

I tracked this plant down a bit more, and found out it came from Bob Fallon's collection. I'm trying to find out more, but Bob is known for having a lot of old jungle collected stuff (especially Bulbos)

 

[Bolero]

Lovely! I don't think I've seen this one before.

 

[Rick]

All flowers are open now. Longest petals are 23 cm and pouches of about 6 cm.

At least 5 of 6 flowers are turned about the same direction.

 

[SlipperKing]

interesting dorsals, the way they hang over.

 

[JeanLux]

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At least 5 of 6 flowers are turned about the same direction.

the other one is looking at the bulbo?! bloom !!!

Great display of those beauties!!! Thanks!! Jean

 

[Clark]

Can't explain why, these remind me of a black tie event.

 

[Rick]

My worries were confirmed when I took it to show this weekend

It's a hybrid. Paph Temptation (P. philipennense X kolopakingii), with very long petals.

I looked through a lot of internet pics of Temptation after the show, and all the divergences from standard roebelinii I saw are standard traits for Temptation.

The petals are exceptionally longer than most and the flower count is good, so the phili parent must be a big roebelinii.

Also I've been quizzing the source, and I think they found the tag.

 

[SlipperKing]

My worries were confirmed when I took it to show this weekend

It's a hybrid. Paph Temptation (P. philipennense X kolopakingii), with very long petals.

I looked through a lot of internet pics of Temptation after the show, and all the divergences from standard roebelinii I saw are standard traits for Temptation.

The petals are exceptionally longer than most and the flower count is good, so the phili parent must be a big roebelinii.

Also I've been quizzing the source, and I think they found the tag.

That explains the blooming time and the dorsal that hangs over.....Great investigative work Rick!

 

[Rick]

That explains the blooming time and the dorsal that hangs over.....Great investigative work Rick!

Thanks

It's just a bummer that I ended up entering it in the wrong class and having judges thumb their noses at a botched entry.

BTW There was a phili in bloom at the show that got the blue in the class I entered it in. In all the basic show confusion when I saw no ribbon on mine against a first time bloom normal phili I figured that the judges had DQ'ed it for the hybrid/ wrong class reason before I had a chance to talk to any of them.