Hybrid of hangianum x malipoense. Two large, 6.25 inch fragrant flowers on one inflorescence, first time bloom for this one, which has unusually wide leaves, 6" long but 3" wide. Is this normal for these or a possible indication of polyploidy?
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mrhappyrotter
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My absolute favorite Paph hybrid! Even the wonky ones make me smile. There's really nice tessellation on the petals and I like the pouch. I can smell the flowers from here, mostly like hangianum but with subtle sweeter or fruitier notes from malipoense.
I have noticed a lot of variation in leaf widths in this hybrid (and the similar sister hybrid Memoria Larry Heuer). Some crosses seem to mostly produce narrower leaved outcome along the lines of hangianum, other times the progeny mostly come out with wider leaves like malipoense. I don't know if wider leaves correlate with polyploidy specifically, though.
I have noticed a lot of variation in leaf widths in this hybrid (and the similar sister hybrid Memoria Larry Heuer). Some crosses seem to mostly produce narrower leaved outcome along the lines of hangianum, other times the progeny mostly come out with wider leaves like malipoense. I don't know if wider leaves correlate with polyploidy specifically, though.
I have 3 Shun Fa Golden’s that have bloomed disappointingly. Flower in the foliage, wonky, blasted easily. I haven’t given up on them…yet.
Tom-DE
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Big flower! but IMO, it doesn't enhance the qualities of either parent.
I’m not familiar with these species, enlarging the photo; I love the look of the bold color on the staminode and it looks to be surrounded with a mass of fine hairs??
Happypaphy7
Paphlover
Those flowers have a lot of green in them! The ones I bloomed were not green even when fresh open.
The leaves on this hybrid tend to run on the large size and what you describe is about typical in my opinion.
The leaves on this hybrid tend to run on the large size and what you describe is about typical in my opinion.
mrhappyrotter
Grand Chupacabra
Correct! Several species of this section (called Parvisepalum) have what's called hirsute or maybe pubescent flowers. Paph. hangianum is variable, but the hairiness can be pretty extreme. Malipoense as well, but typically to a lesser extent.
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I am probably the only one here who is not in love with this hybrid. Yes it is green. Yes it has red highlights but, I prefer both a straight malipoense or a straight hangianum over the hybrid.
Call me fussy, call me crazy, I am just not seeing any real improvement over either parent. Sorry everyone.
Call me fussy, call me crazy, I am just not seeing any real improvement over either parent. Sorry everyone.
Hilmar
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hi
might be the improvement from this cross above its parents just its growing quality...
we have got just from lab 40 flasks of hangianum ( a good one by self) ... after 36 !! months, we expect min. 5 years to any first flower and having a lot of losses in that time...
also may malipoense, lab needed 28 months for flasks ready to be deflasked, be a slow grower at all compared to the primary hybrid
yes , you are right for the both clear and beautiful flowers of the species,
but the primary hybrid, ( probably if made on hangianum as seed pod plant ) has the advantage of fast and vigorous growing to flowering size
plants within 2-3 years , much faster as both parents..., the fragrance will be kept from the species...
might be the improvement from this cross above its parents just its growing quality...
we have got just from lab 40 flasks of hangianum ( a good one by self) ... after 36 !! months, we expect min. 5 years to any first flower and having a lot of losses in that time...
also may malipoense, lab needed 28 months for flasks ready to be deflasked, be a slow grower at all compared to the primary hybrid
yes , you are right for the both clear and beautiful flowers of the species,
but the primary hybrid, ( probably if made on hangianum as seed pod plant ) has the advantage of fast and vigorous growing to flowering size
plants within 2-3 years , much faster as both parents..., the fragrance will be kept from the species...
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Apologies are not necessary. You’re entitled to your personal preferences, everyone is!!! I look then skip over some posts if I’m not personally impressed.
Nice. Is it fragrant?
tnyr5
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Not an awardable one but nice. Yes, this hybrid has naturally huge leaves.
Hilmar
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we had some fragrant Shun-Fa Golden but not all
Happypaphy7
Paphlover
True. I had a few that were super fragrant. I had one had no scent.
People report that their malipoense is not scented. My limited experience with malipoense is that they are not really fragrant or only slightly so if they are. Hangianum is supposed to be very fragrant.
People report that their malipoense is not scented. My limited experience with malipoense is that they are not really fragrant or only slightly so if they are. Hangianum is supposed to be very fragrant.
You just have good taste abd appreciation. “Improvement” is a term that offends me. Hybridization improves nothing. It can be interesting, hybrids can be attractive (or not) but there is no “improving” upon species that have evolved through millions of years into their perfectly adapted forms. I wish hybrids didn’t exist and that we could all have any species we want.
Happypaphy7
Paphlover
Well, that's a bit too extreme but you're entilted to your opinions.
When people bring up the term improvement, they are just talking about things in the awards point of view in case. So, there's that but since I am not really interested in awards (not completely so, but for the most part I just like what I like, not according to the standards other have set), I also do not like the term being used but for different reason than you have.
So, other "improvement" could be the change of plant growing and blooming habits.
Among my favorite examples is Paphiopedilum Norito Hasegawa (malipoense x armeniacum).
Many people have trouble flowering the species. Malipoense is easier. Norito Hasegawa is much easier. It gives many hobby growers who like bright yellow flowers like me, or those who like armeniacum but do not have the right conditions or the willingness to shed the money a great (if not perfect) substitute.
Lastly, when you say you wish hybrids did not exist, you are forgetting that hybrids exist in the nature. Something to think about.
When people bring up the term improvement, they are just talking about things in the awards point of view in case. So, there's that but since I am not really interested in awards (not completely so, but for the most part I just like what I like, not according to the standards other have set), I also do not like the term being used but for different reason than you have.
So, other "improvement" could be the change of plant growing and blooming habits.
Among my favorite examples is Paphiopedilum Norito Hasegawa (malipoense x armeniacum).
Many people have trouble flowering the species. Malipoense is easier. Norito Hasegawa is much easier. It gives many hobby growers who like bright yellow flowers like me, or those who like armeniacum but do not have the right conditions or the willingness to shed the money a great (if not perfect) substitute.
Lastly, when you say you wish hybrids did not exist, you are forgetting that hybrids exist in the nature. Something to think about.
