Paph. Steve Hampson
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interesting, it's heavy on the MK with a nice dorsal.
SlipperFan
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Sure has square shoulders. Looks good, though!
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biothanasis
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Very beautiful!!!
That's nice, however I do not think the petals will be longer on a future blooming, maybe a bit...
People do not understand the risks of breeding usually:
The cross is, to sum it up:
( 25-30cm petals x 50-80cm petals ) x ( 23-30 cm petals x 23-30cm petals)
Same for things like Michael Koopowitz x Prince Edward of York, or, way worse, Prince Edward of York x rothschildianum. A small percentage will have long petals, maybe... The vast majority will have petals in the 20-30cm range no more, that's genetics.
The same thing happens with rothschildianum.
(Rex x Mt Millais) x (Val x Mt Millais) as an example. The people want YOU (yes, you in front of the screen hehe) to believe that this next generation will be 'amazing'.
I reply: ********...
Few will be better than the parents. Some will be as good as the parent. The vast majority will see the twisted dorsal of Rex reappearing with the narrow dorsal of Val, or the crappy color of Rex on a Val shaped flower...
The F1 was really good, but with hidden genetic defects. A F2 needs 'new blood' to overcome possibly this ( like Terry Root did with Chester Hills... he is clever for that).
I never believed in the F2 generation sanderianum hybrids as being 'overall excellent', because the F1 had at least one parent with short petals... A few plants will be amazing, but the vast majority will get the narrow dorsal of sanderianum and the short petals of the other parent...
The only way to work this around, and that's a long one, would be to sib Prince Edward of York, bloom the seedlings, and select the ones with long petals and wide dorsal... Or for Michael Koopowitz, go one step further, cross it back to sanderianum, bloom them, and sib them, to get in the next generation really long petalled, nice dorsalled plants. This is not commercially viable.
People do not understand the risks of breeding usually:
The cross is, to sum it up:
( 25-30cm petals x 50-80cm petals ) x ( 23-30 cm petals x 23-30cm petals)
Same for things like Michael Koopowitz x Prince Edward of York, or, way worse, Prince Edward of York x rothschildianum. A small percentage will have long petals, maybe... The vast majority will have petals in the 20-30cm range no more, that's genetics.
The same thing happens with rothschildianum.
(Rex x Mt Millais) x (Val x Mt Millais) as an example. The people want YOU (yes, you in front of the screen hehe) to believe that this next generation will be 'amazing'.
I reply: ********...
Few will be better than the parents. Some will be as good as the parent. The vast majority will see the twisted dorsal of Rex reappearing with the narrow dorsal of Val, or the crappy color of Rex on a Val shaped flower...
The F1 was really good, but with hidden genetic defects. A F2 needs 'new blood' to overcome possibly this ( like Terry Root did with Chester Hills... he is clever for that).
I never believed in the F2 generation sanderianum hybrids as being 'overall excellent', because the F1 had at least one parent with short petals... A few plants will be amazing, but the vast majority will get the narrow dorsal of sanderianum and the short petals of the other parent...
The only way to work this around, and that's a long one, would be to sib Prince Edward of York, bloom the seedlings, and select the ones with long petals and wide dorsal... Or for Michael Koopowitz, go one step further, cross it back to sanderianum, bloom them, and sib them, to get in the next generation really long petalled, nice dorsalled plants. This is not commercially viable.
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Jim Toomey
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Who made the cross?
Parents dimensions?
Parents dimensions?
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Brian Monk
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Agreed cpompletely, as this is the way the genetics work out. But not commercially viable? Of course it is commercially viable. But that depend on how much money you start with, and whether you want to make a profit...
Do you know how to make a million dollars in the orchid business?
Well, first you start with two million dollars........
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
Funny Brian
emydura
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Given there is sanderianum on both sides I think you meant
( 25-30cm petals x 50-80cm petals ) x ( 23-30 cm petals x 50-80cm petals)
rather than
( 25-30cm petals x 50-80cm petals ) x ( 23-30 cm petals x 23-30cm petals)
Given that, I would be hoping for petal lengths greater than 28cm. Some of them will have petal lengths similar to phillipinense or roths parents, but a good proportion should have a lot longer petals.
David
( 25-30cm petals x 50-80cm petals ) x ( 23-30 cm petals x 50-80cm petals)
rather than
( 25-30cm petals x 50-80cm petals ) x ( 23-30 cm petals x 23-30cm petals)
Given that, I would be hoping for petal lengths greater than 28cm. Some of them will have petal lengths similar to phillipinense or roths parents, but a good proportion should have a lot longer petals.
David
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Paph_LdyMacBeth
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...well, I quite like it. I think it has some great attributes. I love the dark stripes to the dorsal.
raymond
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chrismende
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These comments are good and salutary reminders of the real "numbers" involved in breeding! Just think how much harder it becomes when one breeds small animals and only has litters of 3-10 or so individuals to work with!
chrismende
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I second that about the dark dorsal stripes! I also like the dark petal shoulder edges!
ehanes7612
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the richness in color that seems to impart in these complex sanderianum hybrids is worth the effort, wait and further breeding in growing these plants
Wendy
Just me!
I'm loving the colour on this.
smartie2000
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It has strong markings, and I think thats important too
W. Beetus
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Great! I really like this color.
Tom499
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Great, great flowers.
