Paph. Sugar Suite

[rdlsreno]

This was bought as Paph. Sugar Suite (Paph. niveum x emersonii) but I have my doubts. I think it is Paph. Chou Yi-Yuki (x hangianum). The staminode is typical of a hangianum cross ( the tiger stripping on the lateral sides) it is also to wide for a emersonii cross. The petal color is also a give away. I like it very much since it is big (NS 11.4 cm.) and good shape.

Ramon

Paph. Sugar Suite

 

[labskaus]

That's an awsome flower!

Great shape and colour, and I think you're right about the parentage. So: What's the name you're going to propose to the judges? oke:

The flower size is quite impressive. Since niveum is known to reduce the size in its crosses, I wonder if the variety ang-thong has been used. I've seen that a few times in Taiwanese crosses. Would that make a difference size-wise?

Best wishes,

 

[KyushuCalanthe]

Looks sweet to me! Question - given what the plant may be, what exactly is the legal status of such hybrids?

 

[emydura]

Amazing flower Ramon. The shape is to die for.

David

 

[mccallen]

Awesome, where did this come from?

 

[Elena]

It's a beauty. Certainly looks a great deal like Chou Yi Yuki.

 

[Bob in Albany N.Y.]

I love that cross. Naturally you have it correct, it is not Sugar Suite but rather Chou Yi-Yuki .

 

[Gcroz]

Looks sweet to me! Question - given what the plant may be, what exactly is the legal status of such hybrids?

According to my understanding, after talking with Glen Decker, hangianum and its hybrids are illegal. That being said, I've also read that FWS will not go after simple hobbyists, looking instead for those profiting off sales of the illegal plants.

Beautiful plant whatever it is!

 

[SlipperKing]

According to my understanding, after talking with Glen Decker, hangianum and its hybrids are illegal. That being said, I've also read that FWS will not go after simple hobbyists, looking instead for those profiting off sales of the illegal plants.

Beautiful plant whatever it is!

As this is a fact Ramon, you should put the correct name on the plant and wait until the time it will be legal. No judge in the US will judge an illegal plant. OR you can let us judge it for you and the plant could carry an award, say AM/STC (SlipperTalk.Com)!

 

[Ernie]

Repent. I love it.

-Ernie

 

[goldenrose]

:clap::drool: Love it! and one would have to agree hang. is a parent.
It appears that there is a slight horn on the bottom back side of the pouch. All of my niv & niv X's have bloomed with horns, any idea on what causes this? I increased water & in the case where they've had 2 buds, the plant had less light & the 2nd flower has horns too!

 

[Roy]

Magic flower you have there Ramon.

 

[NYEric]

Haha! You should have used a brighter flashlight when you were crawling under the tables picking out plants! oke:
Anyway, nice one just hold of on judging until the beaurocrasnots get their act together!

 

[John M]

It's an awesome flower! A keeper for sure. FWIW, I don't see any evidence of emersonii at all. That, along with the fact that a lot of Sugar Suites out there are known to not be labelled correctly, I'd have no problem changing the tag to niveum x hangianum.

 

[Kavanaru]

All of my niv & niv X's have bloomed with horns, any idea on what causes this? I increased water & in the case where they've had 2 buds, the plant had less light & the 2nd flower has horns too!

Horny Plants oke:

 

[GaryB]

According to my understanding, after talking with Glen Decker, hangianum and its hybrids are illegal. That being said, I've also read that FWS will not go after simple hobbyists, looking instead for those profiting off sales of the illegal plants.

Beautiful plant whatever it is!

So Odoms sold illegal hangianums last spring?

 

[Candace]

Did you get it at the POE, Ramon? Lovely thing.

 

[SlipperFan]

I agree that it looks like a hangianum cross. Maybe someday this will all get straightened out and hangianum, etc. will become legal. I hope!

 

[Gcroz]

So Odoms sold illegal hangianums last spring?

Well, I won't speak out of my realm of knowledge, but from my last discussion with Glen, who had talked with Roddy, Vietnam has not recogonized hangianum as being legally collected and/or exported from that country. That makes the plants, and their hybrids, as unlawful to have in the US. Now, there are rumors that there is hangianum in China, and if the Chinese legally collected and exported the plants, then they should be fine.

It seems your question revolves around whether Odom, a highly respected company, sold illegal plants. As stated above, I can't precisely answer that. I can say that I have met vendors, who even have species named for them, who have sold hangianum and helenae in the US.

 

[GaryB]

It seems your question revolves around whether Odom, a highly respected company, sold illegal plants. As stated above, I can't precisely answer that. I can say that I have met vendors, who even have species named for them, who have sold hangianum and helenae in the US.

I bought a couple hangianums from Odom when they had them listed last spring with the intent of doing some hybridizing with them. I made the assumption that since a respected company was selling them, they must be legal now.