phal lindenii pollen

[cnycharles]

hello all,
I'm looking for some phal lindenii pollen; it doesn't have to be from a fantastic flower though some color would be nice. I will have two phal schillerianas in flower, and would very much like to try and remake Phal Baguio which is a primary hybrid between these two species. Imagine a cluster of flowers on a branched spike like an adult schilleriana, with a bright, small, striped flower like lindenii.. in exchange I would be happy to return some seedlings if the pollination and seed sowing were successful. Often my lindeniis are in flower this time of year, but they will swing between flowering in the fall, and then changing and flowering in the spring. I have no idea how or why they change; I grow under lights so conditions don't change a whole lot.

thanks,
charles

 

[suss16]

Ouch... my lindeni's just finished flowering. I do have Liu's Bright Ruby "Joy" (Timothy Christopher x lindenii) pollen. I have been using it as if it were lindenii, but better. Google for a pic. PM me if you are interested.

 

[Bolero]

Awesome species, I hope someone can help you.

I tried growing these a few times...........wish I could do it properly.

 

[bigleaf]

My Phal Baguio is in flower. It is a nice primary - larger flowers than Phal lindenii with beautiful striped lips. It is not an easy plant to grow, however. Mine has just 1 leaf and it is in flower. I have since moved it from the side of my greenhouse to the middle where it is warmer. If you are interested in pollens of PHal Baguio to breed onto Phal schilleriana, I can send them to you. I don't have Phal lindenii in flower at the moment.

 

[suss16]

Peter, can you post a pick of your Baguio?

 

[bigleaf]

Old picture. I haven't had a chance to take a new picture this year. It has more flowers but the plant might be on its last leg. Too much moss stay wet at the root base.

 

[cnycharles]

My Phal Baguio is in flower. It is a nice primary - larger flowers than Phal lindenii with beautiful striped lips. It is not an easy plant to grow, however. Mine has just 1 leaf and it is in flower. I have since moved it from the side of my greenhouse to the middle where it is warmer. If you are interested in pollens of PHal Baguio to breed onto Phal schilleriana, I can send them to you. I don't have Phal lindenii in flower at the moment.

Hello Peter,
Nice flower. It would be interesting to try crossing it back to schilleriana, I would appreciate some pollen. Too bad the plant as you say isn't healthy, so a selfing could be attempted but sounds like it would be better to try and keep the plant healthy. You could send some pollen to

charles ufford
pob 626
oriskany, ny 13424

and of course if and when I had seedlings you would be welcome to some.

I was trying to remember the other species that will be in flower soon and it was phal amabilis 'orchid konnection'.

thanks again,
charles

 

[suss16]

My amabalis "OK" is in bloom... it is quickly becoming a horse of a plant. One big branching spike this year. It is a confirmed diploid - but is really an aphrodite according to experts more knowledgeable than I.

What cross do you plan with it?

 

[cnycharles]

I wasn't really... just wondered if anyone had interest in the pollen.
is the amabilis o.k. an aphrodite var. formosana? my other aphrodite is just a standard original aphrodite; usually for me the formosana versions are a bit too stocky and sometimes slow growing for me

.. and the schilleriana that's open today is the schilleriana var. purpurea from oak hill (larger plant/flowers) that i'll probably put some pollen on. are these purpurea plants possibly tetraploid? my other smaller schilleriana doesn't have a designation on the label

 

[suss16]

I don't know if is it formosana or not, but the whole amabilis/aphrodite issue is a little slippery - Maybe Peter can chime in. I think Peter posted a picture of a monster aphrodite "Orkid Konnection" on his site! When mature these put out multiple branching spikes and kiekis.

Schills - there are some known 4N's - Riverbend's Light Plum Jam has been counted and determined to be 4N by the experts. Orchids Limited had some schills that are reported to be 4N. Other than that there is no other publicly available data about other 4N schills - so who knows? The tough part is that there are very few people out there counting chromosomes. Many 4N's have been "deduced" by multiple generations of breeding and analysis.

I have a few in bud right now, I look forward to seeing them bloom.

 

[SlipperFan]

I hope it's not on it's last leg. Would you consider cutting off the spike so the plant can re-establish?

 

[bigleaf]

Hi Charles, I am mailing you pollens from Phal Baguio today.
Tony is right that Phal aphrodite subsp formosana 'Orchid Konnection' AM/AOS is not a Phal amabilis. subsp formosana from Taiwan are different in flower size/shape than Phal aphrodite from Philippines for example.
Dot - I plan to pinch all flowers and hope for the best.

 

[SlipperFan]

Dot - I plan to pinch all flowers and hope for the best.

It will make it. You are a good Phal grower.

 

[cnycharles]

Thanks Peter,
I was wondering last night, if it were possible that the schilleriana parent of the phal baguio might be a var. purpurea? I realized that the picture of the phal baguio in the brooklyn botanical garden booklet, though it was heavily branched like a schilleriana hybrid, had much whiter and more striped flowers. Of course I was also wondering if maybe they had mislabeled the photo, but then I would have to wonder again what it might be instead and then try to find that... (sigh) would a reciprocal cross of phal baguio possibly make a more lindenii-like offspring?
thanks

 

[bigleaf]

Thank you Dot. I think that it would recover now that it is moved to a warmer part of my greenhouse.

Thanks Peter,
I was wondering last night, if it were possible that the schilleriana parent of the phal baguio might be a var. purpurea? I realized that the picture of the phal baguio in the brooklyn botanical garden booklet, though it was heavily branched like a schilleriana hybrid, had much whiter and more striped flowers. Of course I was also wondering if maybe they had mislabeled the photo, but then I would have to wonder again what it might be instead and then try to find that... (sigh) would a reciprocal cross of phal baguio possibly make a more lindenii-like offspring?
thanks

Charles - I a not familiar with the picture of the phal baguio in the brooklyn botanical garden booklet. I am also not the originator of this hybrid so I don't have first hand experience as to what other seedlings flower like. Phal schilleriana is very floriferous - producing many flowers on branching spikes.
So if the picture showed a plant with many striped flowers - then I would say the influence from both parents came thru. Were you thinking that because var purpurea is 4n so that it is more dominant that way? A well grown, selected cultivar of Phal lindenii can produce many flowers too on compact plant. AOS award record has CCM and JC record of plants with over 100 flowers.

I was hoping that with the influence of Phal lindenii - this hybrid would be somewhat of lower temperature tolerant (55 - 60 F). That said, both species do not like their roots to stay wet longer than a day or two.
If I have an opportunity to remake this hybrid -I would

 

[cnycharles]

Hello Peter,
Yes, I was thinking that a purpurea schilleriana might be expressing more 'pink' traits, sort of covering over the normal lindenii traits. The BBG booklet I had was from back in the 1980's. I'm not sure if I have it in a box somewhere still...
about roots drying, that's true especially up north here; I had a very nice lindenii that a friend was watching that had pods on it since I didn't know how to keep track of orchid seed pods (total orchid newbie then) and the pot sat in some water during the winter and it died of rot

Thank you Dot. I think that it would recover now that it is moved to a warmer part of my greenhouse.



Charles - I a not familiar with the picture of the phal baguio in the brooklyn botanical garden booklet. I am also not the originator of this hybrid so I don't have first hand experience as to what other seedlings flower like. Phal schilleriana is very floriferous - producing many flowers on branching spikes.
So if the picture showed a plant with many striped flowers - then I would say the influence from both parents came thru. Were you thinking that because var purpurea is 4n so that it is more dominant that way? A well grown, selected cultivar of Phal lindenii can produce many flowers too on compact plant. AOS award record has CCM and JC record of plants with over 100 flowers.

I was hoping that with the influence of Phal lindenii - this hybrid would be somewhat of lower temperature tolerant (55 - 60 F). That said, both species do not like their roots to stay wet longer than a day or two.
If I have an opportunity to remake this hybrid -I would