Phrag. besseae fma flavum `Green Gold'

[tomkalina]

Hi All,

Here's a photo of a couple of besseae flavums that happened to be open this morning. The gold colored one on the left is our original 'Fox Valley Gold' HCC/AOS clone and the pale, greenish-yellow one on the right is a selfing of that 'FVG' clone that turned out having more of a pale chartruese tint (that's pretty hard to capture in a photo). I selfed the 'Green Gold' clone this morning, hoping to finally get a pure green and white flowered besseae. Hope springs eternal....

Thanks,

 

[tomkalina]

And here they are.......



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[biothanasis]

Pale colour, but they are beautiful!!!! Are they more vivid yellow in person?

 

[Shiva]

They're lovely, but I don't see much yellow.

 

[Lycaste53]

very pale, more off-white than yellow, quite sophisticated color
best regards, Gina

 

[John Boy]

yeah, I see stange colours as well, might be the green back-drop. I'm sort of sure they're more yellow than my screen tells me...

 

[nikv]

Good luck! I do have a question, however. Are you at all concerned about plant vigor with a selfing of a selfing?

 

[W. Beetus]

That's a very interesting greenish bloom. Nice!

 

[John Boy]

Good luck! I do have a question, however. Are you at all concerned about plant vigor with a selfing of a selfing?

I'm not Tom, but I have an opinion on this valid question:

Sometimes when considering these questions like "what's the next step?", "how to get to a next level?" or a simple "What else could be done?" there are just greater questions to be answered, and yes, I agree, on any normal day I'd share your consern, but as Tom pointed out: he's interested in finding out something, which noone has achieved yet, and I suppose it's that "great goal" which, in this case makes a breeder leave the normal steps or stages you'd normally take.
Inbreeding is okay, as long as you know why you do it, and as long as you're aware of the pitfalls. Should he prove these whites and greens out within Phrag. besseae, it would be like hitting the jackpot twice, and the assumed offsprings would certainly have to backcrossed onto a healty, and potencially wild-collected branch of Phrag. besseae, to stabilise what could be a potentially very weak plant, but hey,...if that plant was a pure white besseae... it would have been worth any rule-breaking you might care to think of...

 

[SlipperFan]

A white besseae would indeed be stunning, but I'd love one the color that is appearing on my monitor of the first one -- a beautiful plushing peach!

 

[tomkalina]

Actually, In this case I am concerned about plant vigor because the 'Green Gold' clone is slower growing than I would like, but this slower growth is almost always the case when selfing any of the albinistic slippers. Unfortunately, I can't think of any other direct way to a green/white besseae flower. If we can get just one green/white clone to survive from this selfing to blooming size, we can outcross it to a normally colored, vigorous form - and then self the resultant 1/2 albums to get more vigorous green/white seedlings. The trick of course will be to get decent germination of the 'Green Gold' selfing, assuming the pod survives.

As far as the color of the flowers this morning, the color of the Phrag. besseae fma flavum 'Fox Valley Gold' clone is really more gold in real life than it is yellow, and the 'Green Gold' photo has less green than actually is apparent when you see the flower....

 

[nikv]

Thanks for the replies to my question. And good luck with the seed pod, Tom!

 

[Dido]

Nice colors would love to have one too

 

[Shiva]

Actually, In this case I am concerned about plant vigor because the 'Green Gold' clone is slower growing than I would like, but this slower growth is almost always the case when selfing any of the albinistic slippers. Unfortunately, I can't think of any other direct way to a green/white besseae flower. If we can get just one green/white clone to survive from this selfing to blooming size, we can outcross it to a normally colored, vigorous form - and then self the resultant 1/2 albums to get more vigorous green/white seedlings. The trick of course will be to get decent germination of the 'Green Gold' selfing, assuming the pod survives.

As far as the color of the flowers this morning, the color of the Phrag. besseae fma flavum 'Fox Valley Gold' clone is really more gold in real life than it is yellow, and the 'Green Gold' photo has less green than actually is apparent when you see the flower....

How about this Tom? I played a bit with colors to try and reproduce what you say.

 

[SlipperKing]

Interesting the directions we all must take! Nice flowers Tom

 

[tomkalina]

Hi Michel,

Interesting; but the one on the right is just a little too dark and the 'Green Gold' clone has lost all it's greenish cast. How about this one.............



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[Shiva]

Which one is it? If that's the Green Gold, it could be like this:

 

[tomkalina]

The one you are showing on the left is actually closer to the 'Fox Valley Gold' clone in color, but the other one is still muddy; I think viewing the 'Green Gold' flower in natural light creates a color that's hard to describe and impossible to duplicate photographically. The pure green one I uploaded exists only in the mind of one of our Photo-Shop savvy customers, but wouldn't it be great to have one that color?

 

[Shiva]

Practice makes perfect, but not yet, I'm afraid. Especially since I don't have the real flowers in front of me. Still fun to try.

 

[koshki]

I really like them both, but the one on the left in the original photo is really elegant...I would love one of those!