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lienluu
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Braem
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I found some other plants with the same designation on the web ... the colour very different ... so .. which one is supposed to be 4n???
jjkOC
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Very beautiful color!
At the Eric Young, Don Wimber was in charge of counting the chromosome, but he did so only for the plants they used for subsequent breeding. The remaining were sold 'as is', and many people and resellers put the 4n afterwards.
The problem - similar to the roth Mt Millais divisions sold in America, is that Mike T. was their agent for the US, and a lot of swaps occured...
Now, the leaves of the original 4n besseae, counted by Wimber, were in the 5-7cm width range, and the flowers were exceptionnally full. I have never seen those plants again, it was in 1993-1996. Some were on display at the WOC in Glasgow, so there should be pictures.
The problem - similar to the roth Mt Millais divisions sold in America, is that Mike T. was their agent for the US, and a lot of swaps occured...
Now, the leaves of the original 4n besseae, counted by Wimber, were in the 5-7cm width range, and the flowers were exceptionnally full. I have never seen those plants again, it was in 1993-1996. Some were on display at the WOC in Glasgow, so there should be pictures.
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Braem
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So ... ?? Have you seen the karyotype of YOUR plant ... how about the differences ... just google for the plant ... Don Wimber certainly counted "a besseae" but what with the others they sold "as is"?????
Phrag-Plus
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Very nice! Stunning colour!
I've seen some photos of the original bessaes 4N from eyof and all had some "thoots" on the petals like nearly all their 4N progeny...cant see this characteristic on this flower...also the shape and colour seems different but photogrophy makes difficult to say...
Still a nice flower
Still a nice flower
SlipperFan
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Redder than red!
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Braem
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4 N plants cannot be judged by what one sees ... we need to see the karyotype of that given plant. Otherwise there is no way to say "4 N".
And by teh variation I found in plants that are called "Rocket Town 4N" I am very sceptical ...
And yes, the flower is great ... but that is all.
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Bolero
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Stunning colour, it's hard to imagine better.
I agree,its absolutely not a "scentific" way of judging,but usually on palyploid Phrags,the teth are present due to ploydity instability in cells(some are 3n,some 4n etc...but majority are 4n),and so irregular tissue on edges...but I am not a PHD and so Is only speculation...only way to know is a complete test.
Exaple of a 4N bessae hybrid with teeth...from EYOF(plant taken directly from EYOF many years ago and one of parents is the original 4N peruvian type bessae):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35673552@N06/4535228148/in/photostream
I start a new thread about EYOF plants and a bit of history...
