Phrag Eric Young

[quaker]

Think this deep colour is good for this hybrid. Would be pleased to see what other readers think.

Ed

 

[Shiva]

Very nice one.

 

[Kyle]

I'm a bit suspect on the ID.

 

[quaker]

I'm a bit suspect on the ID.

Hi Kyle. It came via the Eric Young foundation in Jersey. Thanks for your comment --- what did you think it was?

Ed

 

[Shiva]

Looks perfectly Eric Young to me. It matches several pics I have on file.

 

[etex]

Very beautiful blooms-love the colors and shape!!

 

[NYEric]

Interesting color. Weird that its so streaky!? But just to get an EYOF plant! Yay besseae hybrids!

 

[Kyle]

Hi Kyle. It came via the Eric Young foundation in Jersey. Thanks for your comment --- what did you think it was?

Ed

The lack of horns of the pouch and the over all shape. do you know the poloidy?

Kyle

 

[Erythrone]

Very nice....

 

[biothanasis]

Neat!

 

[SlipperFan]

Pretty color -- it looks like it has an orange-ish cast.

 

[John M]

It's very beautiful. 'Love the depth of colour. I don't think I'd change the label; but, I understand what Kyle's saying about the lack of very prominent horns on the pouch. It really depends on which variety of longifolium was used.

 

[smartie2000]

for an eric young, this one has excellent shape

 

[quaker]

The lack of horns of the pouch and the over all shape. do you know the poloidy?

Kyle

Sorry Kyle. No idea.

Ed

 

[Ernie]

The lack of horns of the pouch and the over all shape. do you know the poloidy?

Kyle

I'm sorta on board with Kyle re: the shape. Classic Eric Youngs in my mind have more horizontal petals. Think 'Rocket Fire'. Maybe this was made with d'alessandroi instead of besseae? Does d'al give shoulders???

The teeth/horns on the pouch (and petal margins) usually come from polyploidy, not so much from any specific parentage per se.

 

[John M]

The teeth/horns on the pouch (and petal margins) usually come from polyploidy, not so much from any specific parentage per se.

Ernie, Kyle and I are not referring to the "extra" little bits we often see on the petals and the "teeth" we see on the pouch margins, that are caused by ploidy. We're talking about the two very large horns (for lack of a better word), one on each side of longifolium's pouch. This physical characteristic is completely absent from pouches of species like besseae and schlimii. It is usually carried through and shows up fairly prominently on longifolium primary hybrids. The flower in this thread has very little in the way of vistigial horns showing. However, some longifoliums have more prominent horns than others and it varies from variety to variety too.

 

[Kyle]

Hi,

I was refering to the 'horns' on the pouch from the longifolium parent. The pouch is usually the intermediate between the two parents. This doesn't show much in the way of longifolium. The teeth on the petals is a polody issue associated with a few clones. I wasn't refering to those. They can appear on any hybrid.

If the besseae used was 4N and the longifolium 2N we could in theory see more traits of besseae, due to having more besseae chromosomes present.

Kyle

 

[John M]

Hi,
If the besseae used was 4N and the longifolium 2N we could in theory see more traits of besseae, due to having more besseae chromosomes present.

Kyle

That might also account for the really good colour.

 

[Ernie]

Oh, the fangs on each side of longifolium's pouch. Gotchya. Sorry, we were on different pages for a while. Yes, they usually do come through very strongly.

 

[John M]

"Fangs"...........better descriptive word!