Phrag. Sedenii 'Hildegarde'

[AquaGem]

Approximately yes (still very expensive), and that's a sister plant of 'Taka', a pot plant hybrid made by Orchideen Wichmann... Taka is absolutely sterile, like the others from this crop, as they are aneuploids hybrids. I witnessed that story (same for Atlas, etc... they are from Wichmann) and know who had the idea and who did that ( the same that did the rothschildianum album).

Those Sedenii, Schroderae, Albopurpureum, I do not know exactly about this cultivars, but I know as a fact that Michel Paul, through Mike Tibbs, sold hundreds of divisions ( including the old RHS awarded ones) to California, including Orchids of Los Osos in the 90's.

After that, Glenn got a batch of plants from another nursery in the Netherlands of phrags, some with proper parentage, some not so let's say, and still related to those people ( one RHS judge, and another one vice chairman at a point of the Netherlands Commercial Orchid Growers Association, so we would think they can be trusted).


Many were, of course not properly labeled. Many of those hybrids, like Sedenii, Schroderae, came nearly all from Europe, and were not remade until the end of the 90's-2000. Some could never be successfully remade like the old ones too.

That's a very nice Schroderae you have definitely, but it is not Sedenii... I tend to think that it is a pure Schroderae actually, not one of its hybrids.

Thanks for the clarifications.

 

[Kevin]

No matter what it actually is, Glenn shouldn't be selling them under the name he got them, if he knows it's wrong. Hard to believe that he would think that this flower is really a Sedenii. Maybe none of them have bloomed for him yet? If so, he should be made aware of the error here. He is a respected vendor, and this kind of thing is not good for reputation.

 

[tomkalina]

I'm with Xavier on this one - it's definitely Schroderae and not Sedenii. Also, it doesn't look like the Sedenii shown on the Piping Rock website link, (which actually looks like a Calurum to me).....So many of these old hybrids have been confused; mixed tags, lost tags, intentional mislabelling, etc. that it's hard to know sometimes what the correct name was originally.

 

[Eric Muehlbauer]

I agree....it looks to me like Schroderae. How large are the flowers?

 

[AquaGem]

I agree....it looks to me like Schroderae. How large are the flowers?

vertical Spread is about 4 inches... will inform him...

 

[Eric Muehlbauer]

Hmmm.....that's a bit small for Schroderae.

 

[Kevin]

vertical Spread is about 4 inches

The entire flower, or just the petals? 4" seems small for any caudatum hybrid, but I'm no expert.

 

[AquaGem]

The entire flower, or just the petals? 4" seems small for any caudatum hybrid, but I'm no expert.

Will measure and update later.

 

[SlipperFan]

No matter what it actually is, Glenn shouldn't be selling them under the name he got them, if he knows it's wrong. Hard to believe that he would think that this flower is really a Sedenii. Maybe none of them have bloomed for him yet? If so, he should be made aware of the error here. He is a respected vendor, and this kind of thing is not good for reputation.

Glenn probably sold them as seedlings, before he saw the flowers. If he knew it is not as advertised, he'd be the first to tell you.

 

[Kevin]

This plant/division came from Glen Decker.

Was this an actual division, or an unbloomed seedling, AquaGem? Let us know what Glen says.

 

[AquaGem]

Glenn probably sold them as seedlings, before he saw the flowers. If he knew it is not as advertised, he'd be the first to tell you.

Was soldas division.. as stated on his website. He is on vacation now so will call him next week.

 

[koshki]

Since I haven't been able to get either my Sedenii or Schroederae to bloom, I will just have to enjoy yours (whatever it is!)