Phrag. xroethianum x besseae, flavum

[NYEric]

I'm agreeing with you and Tom, look much more like a possible Tammi Jo Hilsenbeck.
And I do agreeing with you too, about the resemblance with your Frosted Velvet (?). Because this Frosted Velvet, is having lindleyanum or sargentianum in it. And it's not suppose to…

Frosted Velvet like Longueville or Cape Sunset don’t have the heavy marking from the sargentianum in the inner pouch.

All this delicious besseae hybrid talk is making me dizzy! :crazy:

 

[SlipperFan]

I'm agreeing with you and Tom, look much more like a possible Tammi Jo Hilsenbeck.
And I do agreeing with you too, about the resemblance with your Frosted Velvet (?). Because this Frosted Velvet, is having lindleyanum or sargentianum in it. And it's not suppose to…

Frosted Velvet like Longueville or Cape Sunset don’t have the heavy marking from the sargentianum in the inner pouch.

So you mean my Frosted Velvet isn't labeled right either???

 

[Phrag-Plus]

So you mean my Frosted Velvet isn't labeled right either???

Unfortunately yes!
Frosted Velvet ( 32,5 bess + 32,5 long + 25 schlim) should look between an Eric young ( 50% bess + 50% long ) and Grouville ( 50 bess + 25 long + 25 schlim ). This inner pouch is showing lindleyanum/ sargentianum hybrid influence like Beauport or a Andean Fire X …

 

[SlipperFan]

Hmmmm -- so, do you think these are both Phrag. Tammi Jo Hilsenbeck?

Or what else could they be?

Other than Tom's post here, I could not find any other photo of Phrag. Tammi Jo Hilsenbeck on the internet.

 

[Phrag-Plus]

Hmmmm -- so, do you think these are both Phrag. Tammi Jo Hilsenbeck?

Or what else could they be?

Other than Tom's post here, I could not find any other photo of Phrag. Tammi Jo Hilsenbeck on the internet.

When I’m looking at the photo I would like to say Andean Fire X, because the colour and shape. But if I’m looking and compare to the variation I’ve seen in my own breeding offspring originated from a single seedpod ( Phrag. Michel Tremblay, Phrag. Serge Harvey, Phrag. Claude Marcoux, etc… ) variations in colour, size and shape can be very surprising and unexpected.

And as you said, we didn’t had the opportunity to see many photos from those crosses and we don’t have any repairs to compare them yet. Make those identification much more difficult and it is almost impossible to say yes I’m sure of what it is, even guessing because we can be very far from the truth…! We will have to wait!

 

[Shiva]

There is a Phrag. Frosted Velvet 'Milford' HCC/OCNZ 77.05 [C. Hubbert] In OrchidWiz that looks every bit like yours but a little darker.

You can see it at http://www.tuckersorchidnursery.co.nz/news.cfm?month=December&CFID=31919939&CFTOKEN=86766

Then: http://aoc.inetgardens.com/redirect.asp?plants/gallerymainphrag.htm

Hope this help.

 

[NYEric]

Thanks for the links from around the world Shiva.

 

[Phrag-Plus]

There is a Phrag. Frosted Velvet 'Milford' HCC/OCNZ 77.05 [C. Hubbert] In OrchidWiz that looks every bit like yours but a little darker.

You can see it at http://www.tuckersorchidnursery.co.nz/news.cfm?month=December&CFID=31919939&CFTOKEN=86766

Then: http://aoc.inetgardens.com/redirect.asp?plants/gallerymainphrag.htm

Hope this help.

You are right both link are showing flower from the same source for sure...

 

[SlipperFan]

So confusing.....

 

[goldenrose]

It sure is, the 2 links show toothiness on the petals, can that be a hint to the possible ID?

 

[SlipperFan]

It sure is, the 2 links show toothiness on the petals, can that be a hint to the possible ID?

I noticed that, also. That characteristic is absent on both of mine.

 

[ORG]

Here you can find a picture of the true cross between
Phrag. x roethianum and Phrag. besseae forma flava

http://www.phragweb.info/phragmipedium/hybrids/unregistered/photos/display_unreghybrid_thumbnails_phrag.asp?phrag_id=312&phrag_name=n.r.&seed_parent=332&pollen_parent=29&photo_type=P&photo=True

Really quiet different

Best greetings

Olaf

 

[tomkalina]

Hi Olaf,

We offered these seedlings a few years back, but they sold out pretty quickly. Maybe it's time for a remake, now that x roethianum is blooming again.

Thanks,

 

[ORG]

Dear Tom,
nice to read that you are well. Could you show us a picture of your clones. I had seen only the clone in the net.
And is it possible to show also a picture of your Phrag. x roethianum? Perhaps you can send both also to my private mailadress.

For this time best greetings and many thanks

Olaf

 

[tomkalina]

Hi Olaf,

I'll look in the slide file tonight and get back to you re add'l Phrag. (x roethianum x besseae fma flavum) photos. Attached is one of the x roethianum clones currently in bloom. Unfortunately, I dropped my good camera in the water last week, so the photo is not the best quality using my old Nikon 1.2 mp antique.

Best Regards,

 

[tomkalina]

Here's a little larger photo.

 

[SlipperFan]

Here you can find a picture of the true cross between
Phrag. x roethianum and Phrag. besseae forma flava

http://www.phragweb.info/phragmipedium/hybrids/unregistered/photos/display_unreghybrid_thumbnails_phrag.asp?phrag_id=312&phrag_name=n.r.&seed_parent=332&pollen_parent=29&photo_type=P&photo=True

Really quiet different

Best greetings

Olaf

Thanks, Olaf. It does look a lot like my Mountain Maid (hirtzii x besseae flavum).

 

[Shiva]

It does look a lot like my Mountain Maid (hirtzii x besseae flavum).

Darn! I was going to say that. oke:

 

[NYEric]

As it should! oke:

 

[ORG]

Mountain Maid shoul be very similar because it is the hybrid between besseae and hirtzii.
x roethianum is the natural hybrid between hirtii and laongifolium. When you corss this with besseae there must be a similarity with Mountain Maid.

Best greetings

Olaf