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ehanes7612
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if that happened i would be too afraid to advertise it...but i would probably self it...sell it (if it survived breeding) and then say something...but i am not counting on it
ehanes7612
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i heard years ago that some high end insurers of antiques would insure a plant but that it was prohibitively expensive..i would imagine that businesses can get some kind of protection just from their regular insurance
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Kavanaru
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LOL there is no photoshop in that photo... That was taken as a joke (I think it was a thread here in ST or other forum)... Leucho lip on a book (Roth pic)
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Marc
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With the right amount of money anything can be insured. Lot's of famous artists, musician and atletes have insurance on specific body parts.
Probably! I am! :evil:
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Drorchid
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In the 11 years that I have worked here at Orchids Limited, I have experienced twice that we got "album" plants out of regular colored plants. This usually happens when a plant has been selfed for one or two generations, so if a recessive mutation has occurred (which a albino form usually is) it will express it self when both recessive genes are present (and the chance of this occuring increases with inbreeding, or selfing).
The first example is when we selfed a regular colored Houletia brocklehurstiana. About 1/4 of them turned out album.
Regular H. brocklehurstiana:
albino form:
The same is true when we selfed one of our Phal. hieroglyphica's. Interestingly the plant we selfed was already lighter colored than a regular Phal. hieroglyphica, so I think the albino gene was already present, but there was only one copy. By selfing this plant, some seedlings got two copies of the recessive gene, and became albino.
Regular Phal. hieroglyphica:
Lighter colored Phal. hieroglyphica:
albino hieroglyphica.
We have now bred this line of albino hieroglyphica's by sibing two of the albino's. We are already in our 3rd generation.
So yes, in theory I think eventually we will see an "albino" rothschildianum, and the same is true for an "albino" Phrag. kovachii. Now the value is all in the "eye of the beholder"....
Ps. Private me if you come across one, and I will give you $ 100 for it!!
ehanes7612
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yeah but who selfs roths anymore?
I'm very excited about doing a 'Borneo' x self this spring if all goes well, as it looks like my plant is in bud. There are some very nice, very colorful roths that can come out of this selfing, and they don't have the homogeneous form of the current breeding.
emydura
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Yes, I did this year. MM selfings can be really excellent, especially if tetraploids. However most people would make siblings between two roths, which means that the chances of getting an albino out of siblings is close to 0.
There has been some albino paphs that appeared as a result of selfings, and are unknown in the wild. Kolopakingii ( I am pretty sure it was a selfing, not a sibling... maybe two pieces of the same plants crossed together, or sister plants from the wild), coccineum ( two different strains), hennissianum, fowliei. and twice delenatii ( one at Vacherot and Lecoufle, one at Ratcliffe, out of the old strain, decades ago).
Now for roth album, there are still heaps of rothschildianum in the wild, slowly collected colony by colony, so it is possible that sooner or later an albino will appear ( if the plant is not in the casualties before it blooms).
I have seen a lot of rothschildianum Mt Millais selfings offered in the past, some were bogus. It depends where he got his plant from. Tokyo Orchids used to have selfings blooming size, Fumi had some too of his own, Frank Smith had selfings, though I don't know if he made them himself or not, Azhar Mustapha had selfings of MM at a point too. The remaining, there are many really doubtful plants sold under the name MM x self, believe me.
The Orchid Zone did not make any selfings, and the EYOF used to have some selfings maybe 15 years ago ( including the tetraploid ones, like Trinity).
Kevin Porter used to sell MM selfings maybe 10 years ago, they were apparently real too. This is another issue when buying expensive plants, if the competition label bogus plants with the same name as the expensive parent, the market price drops for no real reason...
I believe I saw a MM on eBay last week but i would not pay higher price for one unless i knew it was true.
Do you have any more information on the albino delenatiis from the old strain? Do you know if they were ever mentioned in any orchid literature? I was under the impression that the old strain plants derived from a very limited importation that may have shrunk to as little as a single surviving plant before they were widely propagated. It seems in that case that an albino being found within that breeding line would be highly unlikely. Perhaps the albino appeared and then died before the population bottleneck?
The large number of albino delenatiis now available on the market are undoubtedly from the rediscovery of delenatii in Vietam in 1990. There were more than enough collected and exported for at least a few to have popped up. Of course, as far as I know Vietnam never agreed to legally export any of those plants. That would make every albino delenatii on the market progeny of an illegal plant...
--Stephen
emydura
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All I know is that Sam Tsui transported the plant into the country but that the plant was from Japan. Sam was just acting as a courier. It is supposedly NFS.
David
Sam himself had flasks of MM x self a few years ago. I have a few small seedlings from that one.
Rick
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Try the basket method Justin. (And cut the K)
Some roth seedlings I put in baskets have been growing really fast since I put them in it.
Hi Rick,
Baskets won't work for me as I am indoors; however, I am a full convert to your low-k philosophy.
Since I started cutting my MSU fert with calcium nitrate and epsom salts (I know you use a different magnesium form), my plants have exploded with vigorous, stiff, healthy green growth. And no major resurgence of bacterial or fungal infection...
Baskets won't work for me as I am indoors; however, I am a full convert to your low-k philosophy.
Since I started cutting my MSU fert with calcium nitrate and epsom salts (I know you use a different magnesium form), my plants have exploded with vigorous, stiff, healthy green growth. And no major resurgence of bacterial or fungal infection...
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