Such a cutie mini … with wonky side lobes … and a pentaflamea.
Now considered Cattleya…. Hmmmm
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Now considered Cattleya…. Hmmmm
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Sophronitis ghillanyi flamea ‘Isabel Rosalia’ AM/AOS
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Neat little thing, but is it a beauty? Only Mom could say...
It's all in the eyes of the beholder...I like it and find it a li'll flaming beau!
I wouldn't hurry to change the tag...someone might come up with crucial evidence, proving that not all Sophronitis could meaningfully be transferred to Cattleya!Now considered Cattleya…. Hmmmm
Talking of which: I wonder, whether at some point in time, if we sit tight, Neofinetia will again be ressurected as a species in its own right? In the short time, I've been in this game, it started out as Neofinetia falcata, then transferred to Phalaenopsis, now Vanda falcata - why not just go full cirkle and return to the point of departure?!
Today the second flower opened without any aberrations. So beautiful.
I love it.
Why not sit tight just refuse to use Vanda?It's all in the eyes of the beholder...I like it and find it a li'll flaming beau!
I wouldn't hurry to change the tag...someone might come up with crucial evidence, proving that not all Sophronitis could meaningfully be transferred to Cattleya!
Talking of which: I wonder, whether at some point in time, if we sit tight, Neofinetia will again be ressurected as a species in its own right? In the short time, I've been in this game, it started out as Neofinetia falcata, then transferred to Phalaenopsis, now Vanda falcata - why not just go full cirkle and return to the point of departure?!
Very nice Laelia....................growing in 'scoria'? Do you keep it dry?
Grow in leca clay pellets with moss on top, sits on water tray. Tray dries before watering.
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Super cute plant. It looks like you are working on cornering the market on flameas of all the Cattleya-esque species.
While the Laelia genus is used in the horticultural world for the "Brazilian Laelias", the foundational species for Laelia is the Mexican Laelia speciosa. The fact that all of the Brazilian plants with 8 pollina were called Laelia has turned out to be wrong as these have no close relationship to the Mexican Laelias and are only very, very distantly related. This was a debate at the time of their discovery and the sole basis for inclusion in Laelia was the presence of 8 pollina like the Mexican Laelias. Molecular data and the biogeography makes it clear that the Mexican Laelias are vastly different to the Brazilian "Laelias". Since the Mexican plants were the first to use the Laelia name, that is the correct usage. If one fancies oneself a lumper this plant should be Cattleya and as a splitter it would be Hoffmannseggella for all of the Parviflorae species ("Brazilian rupiculous Laelias"). Last I heard the taxonomy police are very underfunded and won't be coming after you no matter what you care to put on the label of your plant. That being said, most of my plants started to grow a bit better once I changed the labels over to Cattleya. Could just be a coincidence.
While the Laelia genus is used in the horticultural world for the "Brazilian Laelias", the foundational species for Laelia is the Mexican Laelia speciosa. The fact that all of the Brazilian plants with 8 pollina were called Laelia has turned out to be wrong as these have no close relationship to the Mexican Laelias and are only very, very distantly related. This was a debate at the time of their discovery and the sole basis for inclusion in Laelia was the presence of 8 pollina like the Mexican Laelias. Molecular data and the biogeography makes it clear that the Mexican Laelias are vastly different to the Brazilian "Laelias". Since the Mexican plants were the first to use the Laelia name, that is the correct usage. If one fancies oneself a lumper this plant should be Cattleya and as a splitter it would be Hoffmannseggella for all of the Parviflorae species ("Brazilian rupiculous Laelias"). Last I heard the taxonomy police are very underfunded and won't be coming after you no matter what you care to put on the label of your plant
. That being said, most of my plants started to grow a bit better once I changed the labels over to Cattleya. Could just be a coincidence.
Thanks for info Geoff. I will label it a cat if it blooms happier lol.
Very pretty blooms!
Very cute Leslie and with that very fine dorsal I bet it will improve far beyond "cute".
Love to see it again in a year or two.
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Love to see it again in a year or two.
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Hear, hear!
Today’s pic outside:
X peloric luedd???
Leslie, lovely and cute flowers of your rupicolous Cattleya Laelia. 
As Geoff already wrote, these plants of Brazil started as rupicolous Laelias, than some were moved to Hoffmannseggella, than to Sophronitis and in the temporary end they are Cattleyas. I understand almost all changes ..... but the transferring to Sophronitis not really...I wouldn't hurry to change the tag...someone might come up with crucial evidence, proving that not all Sophronitis could meaningfully be transferred to Cattleya!
Talking of which: I wonder, whether at some point in time, if we sit tight, Neofinetia will again be ressurected as a species in its own right? In the short time, I've been in this game, it started out as Neofinetia falcata, then transferred to Phalaenopsis, now Vanda falcata - why not just go full cirkle and return to the point of departure?!
I just kept the name Laelia on the tag of my Laelia rupestris ....... and it also grows quite well.
Leslie,
your plants never cease to amaze me. While I aquire and grow plants, you source and curate and what a difference that makes.
your plants never cease to amaze me. While I aquire and grow plants, you source and curate and what a difference that makes.
I rather self as I don’t like hybrids lol.
Laelia it is!Leslie, lovely and cute flowers of your rupicolous CattleyaLaelia.
As Geoff already wrote, these plants of Brazil started as rupicolous Laelias, than some were moved to Hoffmannseggella, than to Sophronitis and in the temporary end they are Cattleyas. I understand almost all changes ..... but the transferring to Sophronitis not really...
I just kept the name Laelia on the tag of my Laelia rupestris ....... and it also grows quite well.
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