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gore42 said:
I don't know anything about Paph. Helen, although I have to say that I don't see any dayanum in that hybrid... no mottled leaves, no dayanum shape in the bloom, and it's too small... any chance it could be something else?

- Matt

It is clearly labeled "Paph. Helen" as are the other plants in the group.

I've tried to find pictures of any Paph. dayanum cross and there does not seem to be much on the net. Stephen has two Paph. dayanum hybrid pictures on his site but they are only flower pictures and kind of blurry. By looking at those two hybrids it appears that Paph. dayanum is not very dominant as a parent.

The foliage of this P. Helen does have slight mottling like Paph. charlesworthii.

Hopefully someone has knowledge about Paph. Helen and can give some input. Any pictures of any Paph. dayanum hybrid would be helpful to see also.

Could the miniature size be from a dwarf form of Paph. charlesworthii?
 
Well, just for comparison's sake... here are some links to other dayanum hybrids.

tigrinum x dayanum
http://www.larsen-twins.dk/orch-new/Orc_paph_thumbs/P_dayanum_x_markianum_622-12x.html

Collosum x dayanum
http://www.orchid.or.jp/orchid/society/paphio/18-saloon/18-tenzi/088.jpg

henryanum x dayanum
http://www.paphiopedilum.org.uk/images/dayanum%20'vincolor'%20x%20henryanum.jpg

dayanum x fairrieanum
http://www.slipperorchids.info/paphdatasheets/sigmatopetalum/dayanum/PaphConstableanum.jpg

- Matt
 
gore42 said:
Well, just for comparison's sake... here are some links to other dayanum hybrids.

henryanum x dayanum
http://www.paphiopedilum.org.uk/images/dayanum%20'vincolor'%20x%20henryanum.jpg

- Matt

Looking at the henryanum x dayanum hybrid I can see where charlesworthii x dayanum could look like the picture of Helen. Now to know if dayanum passes foliar dominance.
 
If there weren't the unusual colouration of the dorsal and the petals getting broader towards the tips I'd say it is a straight charlesworthii with a curled-back dorsal.
Dayanum should inherit the shape of its dorsal to some extend, and some hairs on thew petals. Also, if you look at Stephens site, all intersectional crosses of paphiopedilum x sigmatopetalum species appear to have broad leaves with at least some mottling.

It is a beautiful flower, though.

Cheers, Carsten
 
labskaus said:
If there weren't the unusual colouration of the dorsal and the petals getting broader towards the tips I'd say it is a straight charlesworthii with a curled-back dorsal.
Dayanum should inherit the shape of its dorsal to some extend, and some hairs on thew petals. Also, if you look at Stephens site, all intersectional crosses of paphiopedilum x sigmatopetalum species appear to have broad leaves with at least some mottling.

It is a beautiful flower, though.

Cheers, Carsten

I don't think it is straight charlesworthii. Here is a shot of the staminoid.

p-HeleneCU.jpg
 
Heather's right about the spotting with influence from gratrixianum, but charlesworthii has the spotted leaves and bracts too. I'd say Guru's on the right track. charlesworthii x barbigerum.

So where can a get one?
 
cdub said:
Heather's right about the spotting with influence from gratrixianum, but charlesworthii has the spotted leaves and bracts too. I'd say Guru's on the right track. charlesworthii x barbigerum.

So where can a get one?

I'm having a tendency to agree with that. The barbigerum staminoid area sure looks the same and the foliage is very much like charlesworthii.

Orchids of Los Osos has a few plants available. Here is a direct link to the sale page.
 
GuRu said:
Hi Lance,

The staminoide looks pretty similar to P. barbigerum. Have a look at this thread from two weeks ago.
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1815
P. barbigerum is appropriate to the size and the look of the whole plant. :confused:
Just a thought!

Best regards from Germany, GuRu.

Good observation, barbigerum sure looks like it is in there.
 
The plant looks a bit smaller than charlesworthii, and that pretty much dismisses gratrixianum, boxalii, etc. I think it has to be barbigerum or helenae, but I haven't seen the results of any helenae crosses to make that judgement. Helenae is the smallest plant and flower in the entire genus, and my guess is that it will produce quite small hybrids.
 
I don't know, so I'll ask. Does barbigerum have the spotting? Or is that just from the charlesworthii? Interesting! I thought it might just be charlesworthii but the one I had, I got in bud, and I don't think the sheath was spotted. So, I was going on my spotted sheath experience. ;)

I find all of this very interesting. I hope you don't mind me throwing (incorrect) thoughts out there! :)
 
Heather said:
I don't know, so I'll ask. Does barbigerum have the spotting? Or is that just from the charlesworthii? Interesting! I thought it might just be charlesworthii but the one I had, I got in bud, and I don't think the sheath was spotted. So, I was going on my spotted sheath experience. ;)

I find all of this very interesting. I hope you don't mind me throwing (incorrect) thoughts out there! :)

Keep throwing any thoughts you think might be pertinent.
Here is a side shot of charlesworthii.
p-CharlesS.jpg
 

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