wardii

labskaus · Jul 15, 2009

Got this from Ebay in early bud. It was offered as wardii "Tagara Dark Wing" x self, but the label reads only Dark Wing.
The "Tagara Dark Wing" got several awards in Japan, but looks quite different from mine. Shape is much better but flower is lighter, there is no red in the dorsal of the Tagara plant at all. Mine may be from Hilmar Bauchs "Dark Wing" strain from Germany which looks similar.
I'm very happy with the colour, it is the darkest wardii I've seen so far. In fact its a tad darker than in the pic.

Faan · Jul 15, 2009

Nice red coloration.

GuRu · Jul 15, 2009

"Tagara Dark Wing" x self or not - it looks beautiful and you like it and that's the most important thing. I would be pleased with it too.

Best regards, rudolf

biothanasis · Jul 15, 2009

Amazing!!!

SlipperFan · Jul 15, 2009

It's ugly -- you should send it to me right away for disposal.

:wink:

KyushuCalanthe · Jul 15, 2009

Wow, fantastic color indeed!

SlipperKing · Jul 17, 2009

Interesting, most I've seen have much more green in the background. Yours is white

emydura · Jul 18, 2009

SlipperKing said:
Interesting, most I've seen have much more green in the background. Yours is white

I agree. The dorsal is very different.

David

TyroneGenade · Jul 18, 2009

There seems to be some variation in the flower colors of this species. See here:
http://www.speciesorchids.com/PAPHIOPEDILUMWARDIICHINADOLL.html
http://www.speciesorchids.com/PaphiopedilumWardiiChinaGreen.html

SelectOrchids · Jul 18, 2009

TyroneGenade said:
There seems to be some variation in the flower colors of this species. See here:
http://www.speciesorchids.com/PAPHIOPEDILUMWARDIICHINADOLL.html
http://www.speciesorchids.com/PaphiopedilumWardiiChinaGreen.html

China Doll is obviously a Maudiae type hybrid x wardii...

For Labskaus plant, I am pretty sure it is an hybrid involving purpuratum, I remember having seen something similar some years ago...

NYEric · Jul 18, 2009

I don't have much experience w/ this species but I was thinking to myself that it does not look like the few I've seen.

TyroneGenade · Jul 18, 2009

Sanderianum said:
China Doll is obviously a Maudiae type hybrid x wardii...

Why do you say this? Can't there be variation in the species? The only difference between China Doll and China Green is the coloring in the dorsal.

Here is a Satchel Paige: http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchi...8179-paph-satchel-paige-brennans-orchids.html

Yes, it has the same dorsal colors but look what effect the Maudiae cross has had on the petals, how more diffuse the spotting is? Again, this is callosum x wardii: http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_callosum_GreenGuard_X_wardii_PotLuck_Free_2.jpg Again, notice the change in the petal spotting.

Here are 3 more wardii:
http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_wardii_b_Free_1.jpg
http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_wardii_Free_2.jpg
http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_wardii_PotluckXself_Free_2.jpg (notice the occurrence of the pink flaring on the edge of the dorsal in this selfing)

Why can't we be looking at natural variation?

SelectOrchids · Jul 18, 2009

TyroneGenade said:
Why do you say this? Can't there be variation in the species? The only difference between China Doll and China Green is the coloring in the dorsal.

There is not that much variation in this species, and I have seen some hundreds plants in bloom if not more, both from the wild in Baoshan and from seed...

Yes, it has the same dorsal colors but look what effect the Maudiae cross has had on the petals, how more diffuse the spotting is? Again, this is callosum x wardii: http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_callosum_GreenGuard_X_wardii_PotLuck_Free_2.jpg Again, notice the change in the petal spotting.

Let's say a maudiae group hybrid to be correct, but for sure it is an hybrid, I have never seen a wild wardii like that.

Here are 3 more wardii:
http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_wardii_b_Free_1.jpg
http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_wardii_Free_2.jpg
http://www.slipperorchid.com/other_orchids/Paph_wardii_PotluckXself_Free_2.jpg (notice the occurrence of the pink flaring on the edge of the dorsal in this selfing)

Why can't we be looking at natural variation?[/QUOTE]

The last one Pot Luck x self is not likely to be a wardii as well, should be some argus thrown in the mix or something similar. The first two ones are real wardii.

With Labskaus wardii, I know a little more about thoses plants. If they come from Hilmar Bausch, he bought a large part of Kenntner plants in Germany. And coincidentally, Kenntner had many primary hybrids growing in Van der Weijden nursery in Kudelstaart, Netherlands. That's where I have seen trays and trays of fake wardii, that were the wardii x purpuratum...

SlipperKing · Jul 19, 2009

I have to agree with Sanderianum. Carstens flower does show a strong purpuratum like influence to the dorsal and pouch. The 'China Doll' and 'China Green' are clearly hybrids
Here is a cross I maded years ago

SlipperKing · Jul 19, 2009

A few more to add.
The same cross, different clone. Supersuk X wardii

another one

A different Maudiae type X wardii, F. Coyner

And my wardii

SlipperFan · Jul 19, 2009

Mmmmmm, looks like washed silver! They are beautiful.

TyroneGenade · Jul 20, 2009

Hmm... A very interesting discussion and a very good line of evidence as well.

Thanks for entertaining my curiosity.

breeindy · Jul 20, 2009

Here's my maudiae x wardii that has not long finished flowering. One of my favourite coloured and long lasting flowering paphs. Doesn't look much like the others though...

breeindy · Jul 20, 2009

woops! heres the pic..

SlipperKing · Jul 21, 2009

Welcome to the forum Breeindy and thanks for adding to the discussion. I'm curious as to how certain you are about the parents of your plant? Not that it couldn't be the parents you mentioned but the spotting on the petals are not what comes to mind when I think of a wardii hybrid.

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