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Dot, I love, love, love, love, love, love your greenhouse floor!!!!!!!! My greenhouse floor is earth and it's muddy! Yuck! I've put down lots of limestone screenings in the aisles; but, eventually, the mud oozes up through the tiny stones and the aisle gets disgusting again. A nice floor is the single biggest thing I'd like to change about my greenhouse. I must wear boots in there. I even keep spare pairs of rubber boots handy for guests if they arrive soon after watering. It's a pain and it looks horrible.


Until now, I was unaware of all the various options one has to consider when deciding how to manage the automatic operation of greenhouse heaters. In my case, I have two heaters. Each one is 175,000 BTU's and is enough to handle the heating for the greenhouse on it's own. One is a back-up to the other. Each heater has two simple, rugged thermostats situated on a pannel just above the bench in the middle of the greenhouse. One is set for the day temp I want and the other is set for the night temp that I want. Both run off a heavy duty, mechanical timer that is wired in-line on the North wall next to the electrical pannel. I set the time for day temps and night temps that I wanted by sliding a pointer and tightening a screw. Since I set them 19 years ago, I've never wanted to change them. When the timer flips to "on" (about 8:30 p.m.), the nighttime thermostat is the one controlling the heater. When the timer flips to "off" (about 7 a.m.), the daytime thermostat becomes the one controlling the heater. It's a system that has worked beautifully for me for over 19 years. Want pictures?

BTW: I think I prefer the basic, old fashioned mechanical thermostats and timers. Electronic, digital stuff can be fried by a utility power surge or even a single lightning strike. Because they are wired in and not something that you can "unplug", like a microwave or TV, there is always a chance that a rogue power surge could shut down everything until you get an electician in there to replace the electronics. By then, your plants are either fried by the heat or frozen by the cold. Of course, these disasters happen only during the coldest and hotest times of year, on Sundays! Over the years, I've had to replace a computer modem, a microwave, a VCR and an answering machine because of lightning strikes on the power grid; but, never any components in my greenhouse......except the electronic, vairable speed, circulator fan control. Of course, I learned my lesson and put the household electronics on surge protectors; but, the greenhouse stuff is direct wired. So, I'm glad that it's all the old fashioned, basic, mechanical type of controls that are not effected by surges.
 
Thanks John -- yes, pictures!

This is one of the options my electrician and I actually talked about. What has dissuaded me from this was my original idea that one heater be the main one and the other be the back up if the first one failed. If I understand this correctly, both heaters are used -- one for day, the other for night. But I may have to re-think my original idea, depending on what we decide about the day/night thermostat possibilities.

About the floor: I spent a long time considering options. The in-floor heating, the totally cement floor, among others. I decided on this because I want the floor to drain well, yet hold water to put back into the greenhouse as humidity. And since I don't have traditional benches, a peastone or other kind of crushed stone wouldn't work because those would be too unstable for stands.
 
For me with the in floor heat, it's much more efficient to run it at a constant temp and let the sun warm things for the daily temperature change, so I probably don't need it, now.

That's pretty much how I run my GH. Just one low temp setting for nights, and let it warm up during the day on its own.

I just put a data logger in yesterday, and it showed the standard night low around 60 (where the thermos is set), but even with poor sun today, it got up to 75 (todays outdoor max was around 40).

However if I'm around on those really cold cloudy days, I'll bump up the thermostats manually.
 
Thanks John -- yes, pictures!


About the floor: I spent a long time considering options. The in-floor heating, the totally cement floor, among others. I decided on this because I want the floor to drain well, yet hold water to put back into the greenhouse as humidity. And since I don't have traditional benches, a peastone or other kind of crushed stone wouldn't work because those would be too unstable for stands.

Whether you have a solid slab or block floor, they tend to act like a thermal mass (much better than dirt/gravel) and give you more temp stability.
 
if the second heater is for backup, it could have it's own hard thermostat and be separate of the the first heater/thermostat. in either case, if the day heater can't keep up then the backup one with it's own thermostat can turn on to supplement or replace the first one. maybe this is already what you have planned. I'm glad that you will have a nice place to remember your sister
 
See if you can find something in the Worms Way catalog.
Thanks for the link, Rick. I'd never heard of them -- they have a couple possibilities I've printed off to show my electrician.

For me with the in floor heat, it's much more efficient to run it at a constant temp and let the sun warm things for the daily temperature change, so I probably don't need it, now.
Sun? You have sun?
That's pretty much how I run my GH. Just one low temp setting for nights, and let it warm up during the day on its own.

I just put a data logger in yesterday, and it showed the standard night low around 60 (where the thermos is set), but even with poor sun today, it got up to 75 (todays outdoor max was around 40).

However if I'm around on those really cold cloudy days, I'll bump up the thermostats manually.
40º? Today's high was 21º.
if the second heater is for backup, it could have it's own hard thermostat and be separate of the the first heater/thermostat. in either case, if the day heater can't keep up then the backup one with it's own thermostat can turn on to supplement or replace the first one. maybe this is already what you have planned. I'm glad that you will have a nice place to remember your sister
Yes, that is exactly how I had it set up. My mistake was that I thought I had the right kind of thermostats. I didn't realize my error until they were hooked up. :eek:
 
Thanks John -- yes, pictures! Okay. I'll try to get them for you tomorrow.

This is one of the options my electrician and I actually talked about. What has dissuaded me from this was my original idea that one heater be the main one and the other be the back up if the first one failed. If I understand this correctly, both heaters are used -- one for day, the other for night. But I may have to re-think my original idea, depending on what we decide about the day/night thermostat possibilities. Having one as a back-up to the main one is only going to work if each of them have their own thermostats. I have 2 heaters and 4 thermostats. Each heater has a day thermostat and a night thermostat. A single timer switches both heaters from their respective day thermostats to their respecitve nighttime thermostats and back again. I also have two fuels. The main heater runs on Natural Gas, which is a cheaper fuel. My back-up heater runs on Propane. This way, if some idiot digs up the gas line down the road and my NG heater can't run, my back-up heater is unaffected and will come on and save the day. I set the NG heater's temp 10*F higher than I set my Propane heater's temp. Right now, the NG heater is normally set at 80*F (day) and 65*F (night). The Propane is therefore set at 70*F (day) and 55*F (night). My smaller exhaust fan, right up in the peak of the greenhouse, comes on when the winter sun pushes the heat up to 85*F and at the same time, motorized louvres at the other end open up to feed fresh air in. Plus, my greenhouse alarm rings in the house if the temp gets down to 50*F, or up to 90*F. So, it's all automatic. If something happened to my NG heater, the temp in the greenhouse would fall 10* more than normal and upon reaching the cooler setting of the propane heater, the propane heater will automatically kick in.
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Lots of great redundancy in your system John.

I use electrics as primary heat (with their own built in thermostats) and a propane heater to cover the bottom end (with its own built in thermo).

The propane heater is a blue flame, ventless that requires no electricity. So in the event of those (fairly frequent) electric outages we have, the propane heater is big enough to run the whole thing.

Dot today is about 30 and very cloudy, so I will probably waste more propane today, and bump up the thermostat on the propane heater for the middle of the day. Otherwise the GH would probably stay in the 60's all day. Yes, I'm totally spoiled living south of the Fall Line.
 
Lots of great redundancy in your system John.

Well, yes....that was the point; but, there's always room for me to screw up something! I've also got a back-up, automatic-start generator with a transfer switch and a manual-start generator as a back-up to the back-up! The reason why I suffered the freeze (almost 3 years ago), was because the propane heater needed some maintenance and I didn't finish before it got dark. So, I left the propane heater (which is my back-up heater), turned off just that one night. But, as bad luck would have it, the pilot light in the Natural Gas heater went out that same night. That was the first time it had gone out in 15 years! So, the propane heater wasn't available to come on and the temp went down to -1*C, enough to kill most everything, with a few surprising exceptions. Of course, back then, the one thing that I didn't have was a temperature alarm. Now, I've got one of those too. I love having the peace of mind that it gives me.
 
The electrician did finish installing the electrical system yesterday, so today I started loading the plants.

This is the view from the SW corner toward the N. end. You can see this is not a "normal greenhouse with benches on the peripheral. I left a walk way all around the outside with plant stands in the middle, separated by two aisles. After I took this photo, I brought out the rest of my Phrags, so now the foreground benches are full.
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Here's the middle tier, almost filled.
G-Plants-tier-2.jpg


And the third tier, pretty empty, but will be filled with Paphs and the other plants that are still in my basement greenhouse.
G-Plants-tier-3-empty.jpg


Tomorrow, I will be able to water with abandon! :clap:
 
Looks great! Given the cold and that your GH is not attached, how are you getting the plants from point A to point B without freezing them?
 
... - you're one lucky lady!
Thanks, Heather. I do feel very fortunate, on many levels.

... Of course, back then, the one thing that I didn't have was a temperature alarm. Now, I've got one of those too. I love having the peace of mind that it gives me.
You do have lots of back-up, John. That is wise. I've not thought of someone messing the flow of natural gas, but we do have a generator that the greenhouse is plugged into in case of power failure. I think I'll keep an electric heater handy.

What kind of temperature alarm do you recommend? My husband thinks we should have one.

Looks great! Given the cold and that your GH is not attached, how are you getting the plants from point A to point B without freezing them?
It's only a few feet from the garage to the greenhouse door. The plants are in the cold for only a few seconds. I can move fast when necessary!
 
hi Dot,
congrats on your official opening your greenhouse for your plants, must be very exciting times for you,
Dot a small suggestion on my side all though it's close to your garage it's better to cover your plants with some plastic, becuz at your temperatures frost can damage in a few seconds !!
have fun moving and stocking your new greenhouse
cliokchi

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Originally Posted by tenman
Looks great! Given the cold and that your GH is not attached, how are you getting the plants from point A to point B without freezing them?

It's only a few feet from the garage to the greenhouse door. The plants are in the cold for only a few seconds. I can move fast when necessary.
 
lots of room for those trichopilias now! and epidendrums, and vandas... by the way, I have a small flask of vanda tricolor suavis that look like a few might feel at home in that greenhouse! :D
 

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