kovachii hybrid

[eteson]

Dear friends, this is a gift from a friend. It is a division of one plant awarded with AM/AOS as Phrag. La Vingtaine last year.
Do you thinkn it is really LaVingtaine? I am using it to make some hybrids and I want to be sure.

 

[Linus_Cello]

It seems like it could be. Do you know where your friend got it from? Looks like this one:
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29088

 

[eteson]

Linus Cello, thanks a lot, yes it is almost identical to the one from Shiva. I think it comes from Alfredo M.

 

[e-spice]

Looks like it to me. And it is an exceptionally nice one.

 

[NYEric]

Yep. Yay besseae hybrids!

 

[tomkalina]

Is this your 'Adriana' clone?

 

[eteson]

Yes Tom. The flower is aged and about to drop but it is the same plant.

 

[monocotman]

Could be. See my avatar. This one is from EYOF breeding and not as nice S yours,
David

 

[gonewild]

Why do you doubt the identity?

Unfortunately if you are not sure you should not use it for breeding if you will register the resulting hybrids.

 

[tomkalina]

The Phrag. La Vintaignes I've seen have narrower petals, although there is some variation. Here's a photo of Phrag. Alfredo Manrique 'Kaila' that seems more similar to your flower when it was fresh.

 

[eteson]

Lance, there is a BIG mess of hybrids incorerrectly labelled out there... even awarded clones... I do not have my eye "used" to kov. hybrids so I am double checking.

Tom it is similar but mine is much more tomentose.

David do you have a better resolution pic? Thanks!

 

[tomkalina]

Hard to tell which flower is more hairy (tomentose), but the 'Adriana' flower is similar enough to the 'Kaila' flower to make me question the La Vintaigne designation.

 

[gonewild]

Lance, there is a BIG mess of hybrids incorerrectly labelled out there... even awarded clones... I do not have my eye "used" to kov. hybrids so I am double checking.

I think those made by Manrique are 3n so that might give you a clue.

 

[terryros]

Not a surprise, but the parents (including their pleudy) create more variability in hybrids than we might think. I am most familiar with the influence that using tetraploid besseae 'Rob's Choice' has had on a variety of kovachii hybrids. Using the tetraploid besseae compared to a diploid can make a big difference on size, shape, and color.






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[eteson]

Got one email from Alfredo. Yes, he is confiming that it is LaVingtaine (3N). It was made using the 4N MDC "Piping Rock" X kovachii... so it is going to be hard to breed with this plant...

 

[NYEric]

Colchicine will set you free!

 

[eteson]

Colchicine will set you free!

I am tasting a cup of it... :rollhappy:

 

[tomkalina]

I am tasting a cup of it... :rollhappy:

You'll never have gout.......

 

[cnycharles]

Very nice flowers, would be nice to see more of them, too


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[Ozpaph]

You'll never have gout.......

...maybe twenty fingers, though................