paph malipoense var jackii
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Ernie
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Honestly, think jackii is inferior as a hybrid parent to regular malipoense. It has less color, narrower segments, worse form, less attractive leaves (all IMO of course)... I'd self/sib/outcross it since it is awesome as a standalone entity and not very common in collections and retail offerings.
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parvi_17
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I agree with Ernie. This species is a great piece for a collection, but not a great parent.
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biothanasis
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Cool!!!!!
Leo Schordje
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Ernie, I wrote a long comment saying that you are wrong, attached a photo, took a good look at the photo and decided my photo illustrated everything you commented about jackii's weaknesses as a parent. So you got me to think critically & change my opinion.
I do feel jackii hybrids are a little quicker growing, though my experience is limited here. This would mean jackii might be good for hybrids for the 'pot plant' trade. I think most jackii hybrids would be pleasant, but I think for awards it would not be a good choice.
This seedling is an example of all the faults that Ernie was commenting on. Now don't get me wrong, I know Ernie would consider this an attractive flower, and at 12 cm natural spread this seedling did attract attention. But it simply doesn't measure up when considering AOS awards.
SlipperFan
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Interesting discussion. I don't know about the use of jackii in hybrids, but I don't think baodai's jackii should be used in breeding unless it opens better. Maybe it's not all the way open yet?
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Ernie
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I do agree Leo's Armenijack is pretty. Shoot, it's a slipper! 
Compare Leo's Armenijack to Norito Hasegawa. Most might agree NH is overall a better hybrid. Yes, I do certainly like jackii, but if I were shopping and I saw a list of malipoense crosses then the identical crosses remade with jackii, I'd buy the malipoense version arguably every time. If I still had money left, I'd buy the jackii crosses just for novelty.
-Ernie
Compare Leo's Armenijack to Norito Hasegawa. Most might agree NH is overall a better hybrid. Yes, I do certainly like jackii, but if I were shopping and I saw a list of malipoense crosses then the identical crosses remade with jackii, I'd buy the malipoense version arguably every time. If I still had money left, I'd buy the jackii crosses just for novelty. -Ernie
baodai
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This one hasn't fully open yet, I have more than enough malipoense var jackii and jackii to select some good one.
I agree with Ernie and Leo. It is not the best parent but for our future I'm going to do some self cross
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smartie2000
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I agree with the above
jackii does seem to be vigorous plants. I have one hybrid and one seedling of the species. both grow fast
jackii does seem to be vigorous plants. I have one hybrid and one seedling of the species. both grow fast
parvi_17
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I agree with the above
jackii does seem to be vigorous plants. I have one hybrid and one seedling of the species. both grow fast
I am extremely jealous that you have a jackii seedling. I can't seem to find any!
cross some with a postage stamp and send them to NYC!
SlipperKing
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nice! Odd shape but nice
