Paph Stealth 'Big Guns'

[Candace]

Ken, take it to judging you may get 69 pts.oke:

 

[paphioland]

ok ok my mistake-y.

I was told Stealth is the correct grex, and Krull's Black Shadow is the same grex re-registered with a wrong parent so that the grex name could be different. If that's true it's pretty naughty. But who knows...way past my pay grade I think.

I saw so many of these at the Zone last week - so beautiful and soooo dark!! I like the pix of L'Etacq and Gaulois on the RHS awards CD too. I wonder how many of the clones of these grexes of roth x something other than a multi actually turn out to be worthwhile...

l I did get what you were saying. Now you are barking up the right grex. LOL

 

[paphioland]

Ken, take it to judging you may get 69 pts.oke:

Wouldn't surprise me one bit Candace. I am saying that with a smile on my face lol. I don't take plants to judging for now.

Norito was out here he saw it and thought it might be award quality. I was talking to a judge who also saw it and she commented on the slight crippling of the petals. Funny because I was just about to comment on how little crippling there is for a cross like this. She also said on a larger plant I might get more flowers and would be better. I said, "I hope not because then the blooming will be horrible because the third flower will most certainly be truly crippled". What can you do lol. This flower is very flat from a side profile and large not to mention the color. I like it. I like this cross.

 

[tim]

i like it - it's pretty damn good for its type...look up the fcc to roth x alma gaevart to see some "standards" for this type of breeding. plus it blows "krull's black shadow" out of the water and is pretty comparable to the best Stealths I've seen. I'd give it a high award for sure!

Ken I know yer bitter with the AOS, but you should take it in!! these good ones need to be on the record to avoid continuing to award gar--bage. That stupid "bring it back when it's bigger" is such a stock answer. I think it was said best that very few judges are excited to see something new and interesting and award it. I guarantee none of them have anything like this and probably very few of them have ever seen one like this... This problem is fixed by taking things in and EDUCATING them

 

[paphioland]

I agree with you Tim. The paph knowledge in my area is seriously lacking though. Also I don't live near a judging center. A low award possibly devalues the plant and a high award I have to pay for. Regardless I rely on my "eye" to hybridize. On top of everything I might possibly having a mini temper tantrum lol. I already let a judge in my area look at it. Look at the comments she made. It shows her total lack of knowledge concerning this type of hybridizing. If it was easy or someone I knew wanted to take it I would let them. Like the Gloria Naugle. I am too busy at the moment with work, social life and hobbies. I might show stuff some day when I have more time.

 

[KyushuCalanthe]

Whatever it is, it sure looks good from over here!

 

[tim]

out of interest, from your "hybridizer's eye", what would you do with this? back cross to a vini? I'm having the same problem with Paph. New Direction - what's next? back cross to a vini or cross to a dark complex? I can't see crossing Stealth with a roth...just curious Do you have a sib? Maybe ask Terry for pollen? It might be nice to get a consistent batch of this weird type of hybrid, since "f1"s are so variable...

 

[paphioland]

out of interest, from your "hybridizer's eye", what would you do with this? back cross to a vini? I'm having the same problem with Paph. New Direction - what's next? back cross to a vini or cross to a dark complex? I can't see crossing Stealth with a roth...just curious Do you have a sib? Maybe ask Terry for pollen? It might be nice to get a consistent batch of this weird type of hybrid, since "f1"s are so variable...

I thought about this. First I don't know how fertile this cross is. Roth might take but it will decrease the size of the flower but may improve the form. I already have pollen of another very good stealth maybe better since I got a few select ones a while back. I think this would be a good cross to lock in the size and good form. A brachy would be interesting but I dont think it would take fertility wise but you never know. I did make some crosses with low yield last year.

 

[tim]

omg a brachy would be a disaster...brachy x maudiae = color breaks and brachy x multi takes forever...but the very best would be spectacular!! Can you imagine a vini Crystelle? interesting answer...I'd sib I think...

 

[SlipperFan]

Whatever it is, it sure looks good from over here!

I'm with you! I'm thinking that is about the darkest Paph I've ever seen, almost as black as Fred Clarke's After Dark.

 

[paphioland]

I actually already sibbed this cross, crossed with roth 'Dazzler' and a wayne booth 'Black Magic' last year. I think I got no seed or little. I dont remember what happened with the pods. Would have to check. Didn't try a brachy because didn't think it would take.

 

[Wendy]

I think that is spectacular! Send it here for judging....we have some pretty good Paph judges at our centre. :clap::clap::clap: