Paph. Winston Churchill "Indomitable" FCC/AOS/RHS

[Happypaphy7]

We’re going off one set of flowers here so unless you grew both pieces impossible to say. But you did post that big bush of an emersonii a little while ago so I’d put it on your good culture. The divisions I saw were overdue for repotting

I agree with you. Complex hybrids that bloom out consistently good can also have odd blooming, and such odd blooming (I don't think it's necessarily culture related but rather random occurance) can sometimes vastly different.
To be fair, Tom's photo above also looks quite different than WC 'Indomitable' FCC in that the petals are way too droopy and the dorsal is meh. My initial impression upon seeing that photo was that it is either mislabeled or on its odd blooming. So, I would understand that he wouldn't want to buy it as a true division based on the less-than-ideal blooming. It is hard to tell.
When you get a division from a reputable source, there's nothing much one can do other than to believe their words. If possible, it is probably smart to have some sort of agreement in place just in case it turns out to be something else after a few bloomings.

 

[Tom-DE]

To be fair, Tom's photo above also looks quite different than WC 'Indomitable' FCC in that the petals are way too droopy and the dorsal is meh. My initial impression upon seeing that photo was that it is either mislabeled or on its odd blooming. So, I would understand that he wouldn't want to buy it as a true division based on the less-than-ideal blooming. It is hard to tell.

LOL! Are you talking about mine or those two Charles posted?
FYI, my flower pictured was only 4 days old and it was still developing...in terms of ID, I have faith in mine. It isn't the first time mine bloomed.

 

[Duck Slipper]

I think the WC is awesome and yes…a bit of slipper history.
I’d like to see more complex’s on here.

 

[CharlesD]

LOL! Are you talking about mine or those two Charles posted?
FYI, my flower is only 4 days old and it is still developing...in terms of ID, I have faith in mine. It isn't the first time mine bloomed.

still time for your dorsal to reflex! lol

 

[Tom-DE]

still time for your dorsal to reflex! lol

LOL! You think so? It wasn't reflexed the last couple of times when it bloomed. Today is day 7 and the dorsal still not reflex...eat your heart out!

 

[CharlesD]

LOL! You think so? It wasn't reflexed the last couple of times when it bloomed. Today is day 7 and the dorsal still not reflex...eat your heart out!

lol looking at Google pictures that seems to be the difference between I think what you would call genuine and those that are not. But talking of ones that don’t look real this pic of indomitable was on the Huntington’s website

 

[CharlesD]

I’ve just seen variation in the WC bloomings on both famous clones so that’s why I don’t think pics I posted are fake but that could also fit your belief that they are fake

But back to my point, I don’t think plants marketed as WC whether genuinely or falsely cost a fortune. They still have value because they are a nice flower and have amazing breeding potential but even yours is not an FCC by todays standards

 

[Tom-DE]

Okay, Charles, cut it out! There is no point to continue discussing with you here. You believe your source and what you think, and that is wonderful! You win! LOL!

 

[Tom-DE]

For the educational purpose, I will show a few WC 'Indomitable" photos lifted from internet, a couple of them are of Japanese growers' flowers.

 

[BrucherT]

I agree they are different but I would apply it culture. Here are two Peter black ‘emerald’ divisions. One with a superb blooming and one a crappy blooming

I’ll just never fathom what, between these two weird fat lumps, could be the “superior.” To each their own, of course. But they’re called “bulldogs” for a reason.