Phrag. caudatum v. sanderae

[SlipperFan]

So what makes v. sanderae different from regular caudatum? I'm still a little confused.

 

[Shiva]

Good question!

 

[likespaphs]

i thought it was the album(?) form

 

[valenzino]

No difference,different paler colony and nothing more...in my opinion dont deserve the status of "Variety"

 

[Phrag-Plus]

Very nice flower, but the var. Sanderae I use to know is the paler form of caudatum and it's suppose to be green, yellow and white...
That one is looking like a caudatum...

 

[NYEric]

Nice long petals! could you imagine that in besseae tones!?!?

 

[Braem]

So what makes v. sanderae different from regular caudatum? I'm still a little confused.

You have to ask the guy who named it that way. It is a horticultural designation and 'sanderae' should be regarded as such (if at all).

 

[SlipperFan]

Very nice flower, but the var. Sanderae I use to know is the paler form of caudatum and it's suppose to be green, yellow and white...
That one is looking like a caudatum...

That sounds like the description of warszewiczianum/wallisii.

Thanks, everyone. Someday I'll get all these names straight in my database and on my tags.

 

[Rick]

That sounds like the description of warszewiczianum/wallisii.

Thanks, everyone. Someday I'll get all these names straight in my database and on my tags.

Besides the pale color, warszewiczianum has some structural differences of the flower too. Lack of hairs on the edge of pouch, more flared out pouch opening.

There's probably a lot of individual variation in caudatum in the degree of brown from population to population as well as the same plant from season to season. Just think of the color variation we've seen from a single longifolium plant as it blooms at different times of the year.

Grow this one brighter and with a different food, and it may well produce a paler flower more typical for a sanderae. I prefer darker flowers, I think its pretty neat as is.

 

[ORG]

There were different colourtypes in trade as var. sanderae or sanderianum.

A variety was never described officially, but any plants cami in trade with this name.
So I saw pale caudatum, greenish caudatum and the hit a very bad crippled one in bad culture but with a high price for this rare 'variety'.

When you have no definition by a description please use this name not as a variety, only as a clonal name. When the difference would be really so great then somebody woul describe it. But nobody has done it, also when the tradename is now near 50 years old.

Best greetings

Olaf

 

[SlipperFan]

Besides the pale color, warszewiczianum has some structural differences of the flower too. Lack of hairs on the edge of pouch, more flared out pouch opening.

There's probably a lot of individual variation in caudatum in the degree of brown from population to population as well as the same plant from season to season. Just think of the color variation we've seen from a single longifolium plant as it blooms at different times of the year.

Grow this one brighter and with a different food, and it may well produce a paler flower more typical for a sanderae. I prefer darker flowers, I think its pretty neat as is.

Thanks, Rick.

This one, though, is grown very bright -- hanging up high in the greenhouse, it's getting as much light as possible here.

There were different colourtypes in trade as var. sanderae or sanderianum.

A variety was never described officially, but any plants cami in trade with this name.
So I saw pale caudatum, greenish caudatum and the hit a very bad crippled one in bad culture but with a high price for this rare 'variety'.

When you have no definition by a description please use this name not as a variety, only as a clonal name. When the difference would be really so great then somebody woul describe it. But nobody has done it, also when the tradename is now near 50 years old.

Best greetings

Olaf

Olaf, are you saying I should drop the "V. sanderae" and just call it "caudatum"?

 

[Chuck]

Very nice flower. Great photo (as usual).

 

[W. Beetus]

I've never seen a plain caudatum for sale... They always seem to be labeled as v. sanderae. Nice blooms, nevertheless.

 

[Pete]

i believe hes just saying there is no var. sanderae, technically. it was never formally described as a good taxonomic variety.
its differences are not significant enough to recognize it on that level and it should rather be regarded on a lesser level, such as that of just a "horticultural variety".

 

[SlipperKing]

Sweet flower Dot!