Phrag popowii

[blondie]

Morning Afternoon Evening

So I brought this off a friend as a job lot it had never flowered for him, so this is a first bloom. I dont think it is pure caudatum as its extremley dark. Any surgestions.

It sent a sheath up in novemeber december didn't think much off it as it looked like a leaf the in jan i saw the spike and it fully opened up monday just gone.

The flower so far is 11inches i dunno if it will get any longer i shall keepon looking to see if it dose.

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[eteson]

popowii, nice one

 

[blondie]

popowii, nice one

Thank you very much I shall change the lable to the correct name

 

[mrhappyrotter]

Phrag. humboldtii aka popwii

Very, very nice. I love it.

 

[SlipperFan]

Yes, very nice.

It seems there is still a discrepancy between popowii and humboldtii.

 

[Phrag-Plus]

Very nice!

 

[Erythrone]

Very nice!!

 

[tomkalina]

According to Cribb's recently published 'Slipper Orchids of the Tropical Americas' it is Phrag . humboldtii.

 

[troy]

Excellent blooming!!! I know caudatum isn't sequential is this one?

 

[blondie]

According to Cribb's recently published 'Slipper Orchids of the Tropical Americas' it is Phrag . humboldtii.

Thanks for the comments.

So with trying not to open a can of worms what is the difference between humboldtii and popowii.

 

[KyushuCalanthe]

I love the untwisted, dark petals - a real beauty! The inside of the lip is nice too.

 

[mrhappyrotter]

Thanks for the comments.

So with trying not to open a can of worms what is the difference between humboldtii and popowii.

They are 2 different names for the same species (synonyms). After researching the nomenclature and publications, Cribb believes humboldtii is the correct name.

 

[blondie]

Thanks for the clarification

 

[SlipperFan]

They are 2 different names for the same species (synonyms). After researching the nomenclature and publications, Cribb believes humboldtii is the correct name.

And Dr. Guido Braem made a good case for it being popowii. Who has the last word?

 

[naoki]

And Dr. Guido Braem made a good case for it being popowii. Who has the last word?

Well, with taxonomy, it's not authoritarian, and it's more democratic (or chaotic); each person can decide based on the evidence presented. But this issue is more about the nomenclature than taxonomy. So the rule should be clear, but there are still some gray areas.

I think that the interpretation of the article 46.2 of International Code of Nomenclature seems to be different between Dr. Braem and the rest of people.

Pupulin and Dressler (2011) pointed out that this P. humboldtii case is similar to Example 4;

Ex.4. In Torrey & Gray (1838) the names Calyptridium and C. monandrum were ascribed to “Nutt. mss.”, and the descriptions were enclosed in double quotes indicating that Nuttall wrote them, as acknowledged in the preface. The names are therefore cited as Calyptridium Nutt. and C. monandrum Nutt.

To me, 2nd para in p. 168 of Pupulin and Dressler (2011) seems to make sense. I asked Dr. Braem, why their interpretation is wrong in facebook, and I didn't get a satisfactory answer. He said Warszewicz didn't INTEND to describe the species. But the "intention" doesn't seem to matter according to Populin and Dressler (and also from my attempt to read the relevant sections of ICN). And he seems to make a big deal that there is no manuscript, even though Reichenbach mentioned that he received a letter from Warszewicz (a hand-written letter is a form of manuscript). Well, he seems to assume that most people are moron, so he probably didn't feel like explaining his view to me in details. So Pupulin and Dressler's argument seems to be more supported by ICN (but I'm not completely decided).

Here is a link to a paper repeating Pupulin's view: (PDF link).
Pupulin, F, 2016 Phragmipedium humboldtii (Warsz.) J. T. Atwood & Dressler - On the Correct Name for the Central American long-petaled Phragmipedium; Again. Orchids, February: 148-153

 

[eaborne]

Nice!