Please help ID my phragmipedium Alba

[lleongolfpro]

The plant came from a Peruvian citizen year ago. It was sold in a show in Popayan Colombia. I Had this plant since April of 2024. Could this be a Besseae var flavum x self?

 

[gonewild]

Was it produced in a nursery or wild collected?

 

[lleongolfpro]

Was it produced in a nursery or wild collected?

That is unknown. The plant was pick up at an orchid show many years ago from someone fron Peru that took some plants there for sale or trade.

 

[littlefrog]

The plant came from a Peruvian citizen year ago. It was sold in a show in Popayan Colombia. I Had this plant since April of 2024. Could this be a Besseae var flavum x self?

It is almost certainly not besseae flavum x self. People have been trying for years (decades now) to breed white besseae from flavum. Although it would be insanely valuable if it was...

Manzur la Aldea? White phrags like that are like unicorns - I want one but I'll never see one. I've been growing out every potential cross I can buy for the last forever trying to get one.

 

[lleongolfpro]

It is almost certainly not besseae flavum x self. People have been trying for years (decades now) to breed white besseae from flavum. Although it would be insanely valuable if it was...

Manzur la Aldea? White phrags like that are like unicorns - I want one but I'll never see one. I've been growing out every potential cross I can buy for the last forever trying to get one.

Good morning,
Before finding that the plant came from Peru, I was hoping that it was possibly one of David's creations. I talked to David last night. We concluded that it was best for me to cut the pouch and learn from it. David is a part of the Colombian orchid society like myself. We have a whatsap group for the society and one for Colombian species that is populated with knowledgeable members. Many ideas were exchanged yesterday without concluded facts. Hoping someone in the forum will shade some light.

 

[NYEric]

Not besseae flavum, not Hanne Popow flavum, possibly Saint Ouen flavum but more likely something more complex. Bill Goldner has produced similar blooms but without knowing...

 

[niche]

The plant came from a Peruvian citizen year ago. It was sold in a show in Popayan Colombia. I Had this plant since April of 2024. Could this be a Besseae var flavum x self?

That is one of the nicest whites I have seen. Thank you for sharing. That one warrants genetic work if there is a chance it is a besseae. The pouch does seem too round in my humble opinion, but what a sharp clean white!

 

[gonewild]

Please show more pictures including the ovary and also of the plant you have.

 

[Morja]

I'm glad this plant got its own thread, it is very special and I hope we can learn more soon!

 

[BrucherT]

Looks like it's just a besseae variant to me! Surprised no one has requested this already but WHOLE PLANT PHOTOS PLEASE!

 

[BrucherT]

That is one of the nicest whites I have seen. Thank you for sharing. That one warrants genetic work if there is a chance it is a besseae. The pouch does seem too round in my humble opinion, but what a sharp clean white!

Who does "genetic work" on orchids? I've been hoping to hear of a program for awhile but I never have. Please explain?

 

[lleongolfpro]

Looks like it's just a besseae variant to me! Surprised no one has requested this already but WHOLE PLANT PHOTOS PLEASE!

Lol, take it easy my friend, I am in USA now, The plant is in my greenhouse in the Andes Mountains outside Medellin. But I will show you a picture of a partition ofbthat plant that I purchased recently. I did it to have a back up.

 

[lleongolfpro]

Partition.

 

[gonewild]

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I inquired with a few friends in Peru as to what the source might be. Almost certainly the seedling originates from an Orchid Zone flask about 10 years ago. The plants were eventually sold in Lima without labels. The only person that might be able to provide the cross name would be Terry Root.

 

[lleongolfpro]

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I inquired with a few friends in Peru as to what the source might be. Almost certainly the seedling originates from an Orchid Zone flask about 10 years ago. The plants were eventually sold in Lima without labels. The only person that might be able to provide the cross name would be Terry Root.

I believe now you are heading on the right path. In case the plants did not get to Peru in a flask, I would love to know names of the most important people in the country with lab work in particular with phragmipediums like a David Manzur in Manizalez Colombia.

 

[lleongolfpro]

Does anyone know Terry Root good enough, to get him to take a look at the flower?

 

[NYEric]

If, it's from that breeding it would maybe be the Saint Ouen "Sweet Snow".