urbanianum

[dodidoki]

in bloom

 

[Tom-DE]

Very Nice! What is the temperature during the winter time?
I have this and the alba but won't know for sure till they bloom...the alba might be two years away.

 

[dodidoki]

Very Nice! What is the temperature during the winter time?
I have this and the alba but won't know for sure till they bloom...the alba might be two years away.

I keep contantly 18-22 C in winter, humidity is between 75-85 %.

 

[Tom-DE]

Thank you.

 

[Martin]

Mmh, nice but pretty sure a hybrid.

 

[dodidoki]

Mmh, nice but pretty sure a hybrid.

Yes, i has same thought....

 

[dodidoki]

Mmh, nice but pretty sure a hybrid.

Yes, right, i looked after. Staminode of urbanianum has no such sharply curved horns, straight urbanianum has blunt horns, not like theese...Last one is a straight one from slipperorchidinfo.

 

[Duck Slipper]

Still has a nice petal tip color!

 

[Happypaphy7]

Mmh, nice but pretty sure a hybrid.

I'm 100% sure about it. It's just immediately obvious.
The staminode and dorsal are way off at a first glance. I don't understand why some people pass these hybrids off as species??

 

[Tom-DE]

I'm 100% sure about it. It's just immediately obvious.
The staminode and dorsal are way off at a first glance. I don't understand why some people pass these hybrids off as species??

I've looked at other photos online...I wouldn't say it is immediately obvious. little difference but It is within the ballpark to my eyes...I am no expert... care to share the details of the difference? Plant photos to compare with?
if it is a hybrid, what is the other parent?

 

[Happypaphy7]

Well, it is very obvious to my eyes that it is not urbanianum for the reasons I specified in my previous comment.
What is the other parent? No one can tell for sure, but what do I think the other parent could be? Venustum. The dorsal is very much venustum, the busy even lines. The markings on the staminode also shows that if you use some imagination.

 

[Tom-DE]

Well, it is very obvious to my eyes that it is not urbanianum for the reasons I specified in my previous comment.
What is the other parent? No one can tell for sure, but what do I think the other parent could be? Venustum. The dorsal is very much venustum, the busy even lines. The markings on the staminode also shows that if you use some imagination.

What you pointed out wasn't convincing, I do get the little diff on the staminode...but still so minor...
I doubt venustum would be the other parent...if it is a hybrid.

 

[Happypaphy7]

I'm not trying to convince anyone but just sharing my observations. To me, it is very obvious. What can I say more?!
Some people can't tell the difference between hangianum and some of its primary hybrids, for example no matter how much I explain.

 

[Tom-DE]

The dorsal is very much venustum, the busy even lines. The markings on the staminode also shows that if you use some imagination.

P. urbanianum has the same markings on its dorsal. Markings and colors on staminode can vary a little...it happens on all species. The shape of the staminode is a different story. Just my two cents.

 

[Tom-DE]

Hijack: For all your urbanianum growers, Does this BS seedling look like a real P. urbanianum? LS is only 13cm/~4.5". (9 leaves on the larger growth(some species seedlings may have an extra amount of leaves??? quite leafy.)

 

[BrucherT]

Hijack: For all your urbanianum growers, Does this BS seedling look like a real P. urbanianum? LS is only 13cm/~4.5". (9 leaves on the larger growth(some species seedlings may have an extra amount of leaves??? quite leafy.)

LORD those leaves are stunning. Wow. LUSCIOUS!

 

[Happypaphy7]

P. urbanianum has the same markings on its dorsal. Markings and colors on staminode can vary a little...it happens on all species. The shape of the staminode is a different story. Just my two cents.

The dorsal markings on urbanianum are quite distinctive. Definitely not the same at all. Markings of the staminode can vary, yet they are still unique enough that one can easily tell. The photo of this threa is a very good example of it.

 

[Tom-DE]

Not enough! There is no reason to continue this with you if you can't see it! LOL! Put some photos of both species in front of you....If there is venustum in the blood, the pouch markings will be a lot more like the venustum markings...the pouch shape and markings on the flower here are very typical for urbanianum.

FYI, according to Lance A. Birk, "Its flowers are variable."

 

[Tom-DE]

The dorsal markings--Paph. urbanianum vs Paph. venustum (and the flower in this thread):
and FYI, according to Lance A. Birk, On P. urbanianum, "Its flowers are variable."

 

[Martin]

Its still for sure not a straight urbanianum. You can see it on the dorsal and the whole flower on the first look.
Perhaps agusii was used as parent.