ID of fairly common Hybrid clone

[Bailey Hale]

Does anyone have an ID on this hybrid. It is quite common in Europe, presumably being produced in the Netherlands or Germany. It appears to be the same clone every time you see it. (Would it kill them to label the orchids in Europe?)

We see lots of them here in Madeira each year, but they aren't locally produced. I bought this one 2 years ago with 3 blooms, it had 4 last year, and will have 5 this year. I do nearly nothing to it. It just hangs out by the back door and gets fed if I remember. It's super vigorous and easy and puts on a good show. I may give it a bigger pot this year and I'm afraid to see what it will do! I think it's about to bust the pot currently.

I know it's almost impossible to identify most of the mass market complex hybrids you see for sale, but this one is distinctive enough. I have a growing appreciation for aggressively easy growers and bloomers and I want to use some of this vigor in my breeding.

Thanks!

 

[Happypaphy7]

This flower shop at Funchal had a lot of complex hybrid Paphs. Quite a few kinds but none with a name.
Each pot had a few flowers and only cost around 40. This was a few years ago.
I have not seen complex paphs in bloom sold anywhere here in Germany this spring.
I prefer to have ID tag on them, but with such vigorous plants with multiple flowers at 40, I would pick one up in a hearbeat even without a tag. The question is where would I find one?
I mean I see one at a supermarket but nothing like a flower shop in Madeira where they had entire shop filled with these. Some had giant sized flower and others had very interesting bronze pattern. Also there were a few very nicely shaped vini (maudiae vini x charlesworthii type flowers) with gorgeous leaves.

 

[Bailey Hale]

This flower shop at Funchal had a lot of complex hybrid Paphs. Quite a few kinds but none with a name.
Each pot had a few flowers and only cost around 40. This was a few years ago.
I have not seen complex paphs in bloom sold anywhere here in Germany this spring.
I prefer to have ID tag on them, but with such vigorous plants with multiple flowers at 40, I would pick one up in a hearbeat even without a tag. The question is where would I find one?
I mean I see one at a supermarket but nothing like a flower shop in Madeira where they had entire shop filled with these. Some had giant sized flower and others had very interesting bronze pattern. Also there were a few very nicely shaped vini (maudiae vini x charlesworthii type flowers) with gorgeous leaves.

You still see many hundreds of complex hybrids for sale in Funchal for Christmas, and I am quite certain they are almost all grown in Germany and the Netherlands, despite the fact that we have the ideal climate to produce them here on the island. Madeira should be exporting them to the north, not the other way around! It is odd that you can't find them in Germany. I would think you could find them for half the price considering they wouldn't need to travel so far.

You can still buy P. insigne that is locally grown quite easily and in abundance, and sometimes you will find historic hybrids as well. But there is no production of modern hybrids on the island.

Sadly most of them arrive bruised or damaged by the time they get here, or they are damaged by rough handling on arrival. I always keep an eye out for any especially good ones and pick up one or two new ones each year, but I do prefer labels as well!

 

[Justin]

Do they still grow thousands of Paph insigne in Madeira? I was reminded of this old thread. The pictures are mindblowing:

https://www.slippertalk.com/threads/madeira-–-home-of-the-slipper-orchids.19044/

 

[Bailey Hale]

Do they still grow thousands of Paph insigne in Madeira? I was reminded of this old thread. The pictures are mindblowing:

https://www.slippertalk.com/threads/madeira-–-home-of-the-slipper-orchids.19044/

Of course! They are still very popular here. You see pots of them on doorsteps all over the island and cut stems are quite available and affordable. One large cut flower orchid grower has recently closed but it seems there are still many others producing. They could hardly be easier to grow in this climate.

 

[GuRu]

............... It appears to be the same clone every time you see it. (Would it kill them to label the orchids in Europe?).............

Bailey, these plants are not made for long living and therefore a printed tag makes too much work (if the producer gets only a small part of the price you have to pay in the end) and interests only a tiny part of the buyers.
Just my thoughts.

 

[Bailey Hale]

Bailey, these plants are not made for long living and therefore a printed tag makes too much work (if the producer gets only a small part of the price you have to pay in the end) and interests only a tiny part of the buyers.
Just my thoughts.

You have a point. I suppose the majority of them die within their first year of sale.

 

[Happypaphy7]

You still see many hundreds of complex hybrids for sale in Funchal for Christmas, and I am quite certain they are almost all grown in Germany and the Netherlands, despite the fact that we have the ideal climate to produce them here on the island. Madeira should be exporting them to the north, not the other way around! It is odd that you can't find them in Germany. I would think you could find them for half the price considering they wouldn't need to travel so far.

You can still buy P. insigne that is locally grown quite easily and in abundance, and sometimes you will find historic hybrids as well. But there is no production of modern hybrids on the island.

Sadly most of them arrive bruised or damaged by the time they get here, or they are damaged by rough handling on arrival. I always keep an eye out for any especially good ones and pick up one or two new ones each year, but I do prefer labels as well!

The ones I saw were in perfect conditions and so I thought they were grown locally.
I was quite pleasantly surprised to see lots of insigne with multiple flowers per pot that many homes had on their front yard and stairs.

 

[Walter Meshaka]

Does anyone have an ID on this hybrid. It is quite common in Europe, presumably being produced in the Netherlands or Germany. It appears to be the same clone every time you see it. (Would it kill them to label the orchids in Europe?)

We see lots of them here in Madeira each year, but they aren't locally produced. I bought this one 2 years ago with 3 blooms, it had 4 last year, and will have 5 this year. I do nearly nothing to it. It just hangs out by the back door and gets fed if I remember. It's super vigorous and easy and puts on a good show. I may give it a bigger pot this year and I'm afraid to see what it will do! I think it's about to bust the pot currently.

I know it's almost impossible to identify most of the mass market complex hybrids you see for sale, but this one is distinctive enough. I have a growing appreciation for aggressively easy growers and bloomers and I want to use some of this vigor in my breeding.

Thanks!
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Maybe worth the detective work to hunt down the grower and distributor. It's absolutely beautiful.