paphiopere
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No lo veo como sobresaliente. Lo sientoThis is one of my insigne ( have another, better, just like it)
Looks much like yours.
My Paph. insigne
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I think it is not staight insigne, although very nice.
I'm intrigued by this thread.
I have never bloomed an insigne and have only one small 2 little growth division of insigne sanderae, years from flowering.
In the opinion of the seasoned growers here, what defines a true insigne in terms of traits of markings/color, staminode and plant features? Also varieties that you think is valid?
Please show with examples to help me appreciate the nuances of these determinations? Many thanks ahead of time.
I have never bloomed an insigne and have only one small 2 little growth division of insigne sanderae, years from flowering.
In the opinion of the seasoned growers here, what defines a true insigne in terms of traits of markings/color, staminode and plant features? Also varieties that you think is valid?
Please show with examples to help me appreciate the nuances of these determinations? Many thanks ahead of time.
That is what my insigne looked like back in South Africa (I would love another!)
From my photo, comparing it with GuRu's plant I would say the only difference is that the red-brown spots extend up only to the green and not into the white cap of the hood. GuRu's spots extend up into the spots.
You can see the same here: IOSPE PHOTOS
Whether this is a tell-tale sign of insigne purity I don't know... How much natural variation is there?
Here is another South Africa insigne (not mine) with larger flowers and double blooms per spike. Same pattern with the spots as before. Almost identical to my old plant...
Here is a thread on insigne showing the Harefield Hall clone: Paphiopedilum insigne 'Harefield Hall' FCC ? same story with the spotting. But here is a photo showing the spots extending into the white: Paph. insigne 'Harefield Hall'
Not sure why it would be of little interest. Excellent flower and it looks LARGE. Very nice and good thread!Can't resist to show my Pah. insigne here even if this lovely species might be of little interest ?
The first photo is definately not Harefield Hall... the second might be!
This is a complex paph I bought from Woodstream years ago. Tag is long gone so I have no idea of the parents, but,
I see a lot of insigne influence?
I see a lot of insigne influence?
DS, I wrote these lines by impression of the littele reaction to the Paph. insigne thread of Don I with only 3 responds (including me) and 139 views, although I think he showed a nice and obviously true Paph. insigne.
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Tyron, if your posting refers to my first shown photo, I can't agree in this case. There a a lot more differences which might refer to Paph. villosum as one of its anchestors. There are the oblong and wedge shaped pouch, the stance of the petals, the shape of the dorsal with its backward rolled margins of the lower parts......
BTW I sent an email with the photo to the nursery I bought this plantfrom.......and they said....it would be a true Paph. insigne. But I'm still waiting to the other expertises.
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In mis ojos lo esta un Paph. insigne bonito.
Rolled dorsal and wedge-shaped pouch, but "normal spotting": Paphiopedilum insigne is Ecuagenera selling a hybrid? This one also has a rolled back dorsal and wedge pouch: http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotdir/paphinsignevarmaulei.jpg Wedge-shaped pouches here too IOSPE PHOTOS and variation in the spotting as well.
The one at the back has the same petal stance as yours: File:A and B Larsen orchids - Paphiopedilum insigne 165-4.jpg - Wikimedia Commons Is that also a hybrid? What about this one with down-swept petals http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotdir/paphinsigneforsanderianum.jpg ?
I don't think the characters you mention are diagnostic for the species.
What casts doubt in my mind about yours is the two-tone petals as is more typical of villosum and its hybrids. But how certain are we that this also isn't just natural variation for the species or the product of selective breeding?
I am very skeptical of pronouncements of "hybrid" when we have little idea of the natural variation within the species or how much the form can be changed by selective breeding.
The one at the back has the same petal stance as yours: File:A and B Larsen orchids - Paphiopedilum insigne 165-4.jpg - Wikimedia Commons Is that also a hybrid? What about this one with down-swept petals http://www.orchidspecies.com/orphotdir/paphinsigneforsanderianum.jpg ?
I don't think the characters you mention are diagnostic for the species.
What casts doubt in my mind about yours is the two-tone petals as is more typical of villosum and its hybrids. But how certain are we that this also isn't just natural variation for the species or the product of selective breeding?
I am very skeptical of pronouncements of "hybrid" when we have little idea of the natural variation within the species or how much the form can be changed by selective breeding.
Tyron, maybe you are right? So far I didn't call it hybrid and I won't do so. I always said, there may/might be P. villosum in its family tree. If and when....I don't know. Jens (Guldal) already mentioned he will write P. insigne alliance on the tag of his plant and similarly will I do.
When I started this thread, I didn't have doubts of its identidy in my mind but the more I look at this flower the more grow my doubts. I sent my photo also to Himar Bauch of Asendorfer Orchideen and talked with him on the phone this morning and he also shares those doubts. But who knows? At any rate I like this flower without any doubt.
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