One more ID, one more mislabelled plant

[Bjorn]

Several years ago (2012?) I got this one labelled as kovachii from Peruflora. This was a kind of joint import together with friends so the mislabelling can have been by us, but believe its not. It grew too well to be a kovachii, but did not want to bloom until now. So what are your suggestions? The color in real is more pink than it appears in the photo.
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[gonewild]

Flower size??

 

[Silvan]

In my opinion, if the flower is over 12cm NS it's a Cirila Alca. Under 12cm NS it's a Fritz Schomburg made with the besseae flavum.
Did you buy a flask or a plant? I find plants from Peruflora takes around a year to bounce back and start growing properly after purchase. 4 years is not too bad if you bought it as a seedling.
anyway, really not a kovachii... and I hope that the two I bought from them won't turn out to be mislabelled... kovachii is an expensive plant.

 

[NYEric]

Well, it's either Fritz Schomburg or Cirila Alca. $5 US! :evil:

 

[Bjorn]

Flower size??

Oh yes, its 11.5cm.

 

[Bjorn]

In my opinion, if the flower is over 12cm NS it's a Cirila Alca. Under 12cm NS it's a Fritz Schomburg made with the besseae flavum.
Did you buy a flask or a plant? I find plants from Peruflora takes around a year to bounce back and start growing properly after purchase. 4 years is not too bad if you bought it as a seedling.
anyway, really not a kovachii... and I hope that the two I bought from them won't turn out to be mislabelled... kovachii is an expensive plant.

Guess it may be a Fritz, I have some others (from Manrique), that are about to bloom now as well. The other Alcas I have, seem to have a different season.
Unfortunately these things happen too often, mislabelled plants I mean, and it is difficult to complain after 4 years from overseas vendors.....and since I was not the importer my case does not stand strong I am afraid.....so better forget that. I had some others from them that must have been the real stuff, they died....:sob:

 

[abax]

Well Bjorn, it's quite pretty...nice color. Seems a shame
to wait four years to be disappointed.

 

[Justin]

Can u post a pic of the plant?

 

[Brabantia]

Beautiful flower and 12 cm NS is not usual for a phrag. If you don't like it I will say like Erik... send me it !

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[Silvan]

Guess it may be a Fritz, I have some others (from Manrique), that are about to bloom now as well. The other Alcas I have, seem to have a different season.
Unfortunately these things happen too often, mislabelled plants I mean, and it is difficult to complain after 4 years from overseas vendors.....and since I was not the importer my case does not stand strong I am afraid.....so better forget that. I had some others from them that must have been the real stuff, they died....:sob:

I was looking at some pictures of my Cirila Alca and Fritz (made with besseae flavum) and I notice that on the Fritz there's a little dent on the rim of the pouch like yours that is not present on the Cirila (the rim is round and flat). Maybe, it could be a better way to differentiate the two of them?

My Cirila Alca is in bud. If the timing is right, I'll try to make a side by side pictures of the two flowers.

And how did you manage to kill a kovachii? They are unkillable ... unless you let it dry, ...

 

[NYEric]

He did say several years ago so maybe they were seedlings! I have killed many!

 

[troy]

Thats a damn good fritz!!!!! May I ask, whats your growing temps for this one?

 

[Carkin]

I know it must be disappointing but it's beautiful!!!!


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[Bjorn]

Can u post a pic of the plant?

Here you are Justin; tried with a different setting on my i-phone (HDR) this time all the green got darker and the pink became more than real:rollhappy:
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[Bjorn]

I was looking at some pictures of my Cirila Alca and Fritz (made with besseae flavum) and I notice that on the Fritz there's a little dent on the rim of the pouch like yours that is not present on the Cirila (the rim is round and flat). Maybe, it could be a better way to differentiate the two of them?

My Cirila Alca is in bud. If the timing is right, I'll try to make a side by side pictures of the two flowers.

And how did you manage to kill a kovachii? They are unkillable ... unless you let it dry, ...

You may have a point, I will look for that next time I have some others blooming. At least two Fritz will come soon
About the kovachii.... well it could have been something else but think they were the real McCoy. The plants ( had two others) were not the very expensive ones (so rather small) and I probably kept them too warm. Talking about this topic, hope this one comes true
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Might take a few weeks, but progress is good.
Another thing, looking in my files, it seems that I received that import from Peruflora already in 2011....

 

[Bjorn]

Thats a damn good fritz!!!!! May I ask, whats your growing temps for this one?

I agree, darn good one so perhaps nothing to complain about (I would have killed it if it was what I bought)
Day around 28-30°C, night 16-18°C during summer, winter down to 6-8°C at night and up in the 20'ies during daytime (25°C).
Somehow the flower looks a bit whacked in the last pictures of the whole plant, well that must be the angle, the first pictures are closer to the shape, the last one to the color:rollhappy:

 

[eaborne]

From the ones I have seen, I don't believe it is a Fritz Schomburg. Possibly a Peruflora's Cirila Alca, but doubtful based on the ones I have seen. I have bloomed 11 Fritz and 5 Cirila Alca's, from various sources(including both from Peruflora,) and NONE of them have that much color on the inside lip of the pouch. Fritz Schomburgs have a pure yellow lip interior with no color whereas the Cirila Alca have some pink veining and two distinct 'eyes' on the pouch interior. However, I acknowledge anything is possible and I agree it does have the "look" of the Fritz and Cirila Alcas. Lip shapes vary from flower to flower even with a hybrid, so some being more dimpled or narrower than others of the same cross.
Here is one of my threads of one of my Fritz Schomburgs:
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41515

Here is one of my threads of one of my Cirila Alcas:
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37681&highlight=cirila+Alca

Here is a GREAT thread by Drorchid comparing these two hybrids:
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17373

So, the question is what could it be? The easiest thing would be to look at the list of Phrags Peruflora sold that year if you have it and narrow it down. The oldest Peruflora list I still have is from Feb. 2013, but no earlier. I have a Haley Decker and it has lots of color in the pouch but my particular one has poor petal form. I've also seen a Glen Decker with color in the pouch. But I've only seen one of each in person. Anyway, for sure I would rule out it being a Fritz.

 

[Bjorn]

Some valuable Points Eron. I checked up Perufloras pricelist from that import and found that (besides me wasting a lot of money on dead kovachiis:sob at that time they only offered the following:

kovachi x longifolium)
Phrag. Eumelia Arias (kovachii x schlimii)
Phrag. Peruflora's Cirila Alca (kovachii x dalessandroi)
Phrag. (boissierianum x kovachii)
Phrag. Andean Tears (wallisii x kovachii)

So I think out of these, it is only Perufloras Cirila Alca that could fit in.

 

[Silvan]

Some valuable Points Eron. I checked up Perufloras pricelist from that import and found that (besides me wasting a lot of money on dead kovachiis:sob at that time they only offered the following:

kovachi x longifolium)
Phrag. Eumelia Arias (kovachii x schlimii)
Phrag. Peruflora's Cirila Alca (kovachii x dalessandroi)
Phrag. (boissierianum x kovachii)
Phrag. Andean Tears (wallisii x kovachii)

So I think out of these, it is only Perufloras Cirila Alca that could fit in.

Well, I guess you have your answer.
And I'm beginning to question my Fritz Schomburg (made with besseae flavum)
The flower is exactly the same colour has my Cirila Alca, execp that it's smaller.
Well, maybe that besseae flavum is in fact dalessandroi flavum. That would explain the similarities... :evil:

Cirila Alca on the left, Fritz Schomburg on the right.

the good flower on the Fritz dropped just before taking the picture.
but from that picture you can understand why I thought your plant was a Fritz Schomburg.

Plants are also different. But I don't think it's relevant.

 

[eaborne]

Well, I guess you have your answer.
And I'm beginning to question my Fritz Schomburg (made with besseae flavum)
The flower is exactly the same colour has my Cirila Alca, execp that it's smaller.
Well, maybe that besseae flavum is in fact dalessandroi flavum. That would explain the similarities... :evil:

I agree that your two look identical! So probably both Cirila Alcas as you suspect.