Paph Stealth 'Big Guns'

[paphioland]

 

[NYEric]

Nice, nice color. Where do you live? :evil:

 

[McPaph]

Man thats dark. Very cool.

Mick

 

[John M]

Love the Paph! Not crazy about the background!

 

[biothanasis]

WOW!! Veeeeeery dark!!!!

 

[SlipperKing]

Oooh that is super dark! What's the cross? Is the second bud OK?
It's one of the Blue Men!

 

[Hera]

What an interesting bloom. What is the cross?

 

[callosum]

a dark paph once

 

[tim]

what's the cross? look it up at: http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp

it's roth x Hsinying Maru (according to the registrant...)

 

[likespaphs]

dang...
that looks huge!

 

[Scott Ware]

what's the cross? look it up at: http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/orchidsearch.asp

it's roth x Hsinying Maru (according to the registrant...)

Alright, Tim. You hung the bait out there so I'll take it.

I don't believe I've seen you add that qualifier in the past so one assumes you may have something to share in this case. Is the accurate registration of this hybrid in doubt in your mind?

 

[tim]

not in my mind but in the minds of some. i'm sure my mind's not qualified to make itself up on this one...

 

[paphioland]

I am not sure Tim but I think you might be confusing another registration. I am not even sure I understand this cryptic conversation but I think I do.

 

[Scott Ware]

Well, that has my mind wondering (and wandering - even more than usual). Gotta love a good orchid mystery!

 

[paphioland]

this is truly
hsying maru x roth

 

[aquacorps]

Scott & Tim, If there is a problem with a registration, please share. You do have a duty to God, country and the AOS. (Rick Barry is channeling thru me). rusty

 

[Scott Ware]

Well, no - I don't have anything to share, but it just intrigued me when I read Tim's post.

Registration mistakes seldom get corrected, and for anyone unknowingly using misregistered plants as breeding stock it can take them down an unfortunate detour in their breeding program if they're really trying to accomplish something. (Ever try to remake Paph. Ernest Read and have it look ANYTHING like the clone that has been awarded under so many different cultivar names? I did - what a joke. )

After I posted, I noticed that Ken's follow-up post indicates that he is quite sure that this particular flower is an accurate representative of the hybrid as registered, so I guess there's not much of a mystery after all.

 

[tim]

ok ok my mistake-y.

I was told Stealth is the correct grex, and Krull's Black Shadow is the same grex re-registered with a wrong parent so that the grex name could be different. If that's true it's pretty naughty. But who knows...way past my pay grade I think.

I saw so many of these at the Zone last week - so beautiful and soooo dark!! I like the pix of L'Etacq and Gaulois on the RHS awards CD too. I wonder how many of the clones of these grexes of roth x something other than a multi actually turn out to be worthwhile...

 

[Scott Ware]

ok ok my mistake-y.

I was told Stealth is the correct grex, and Krull's Black Shadow is the same grex re-registered with a wrong parent so that the grex name could be different. If that's true it's pretty naughty. But who knows...way past my pay grade I think.

I saw so many of these at the Zone last week - so beautiful and soooo dark!! I like the pix of L'Etacq and Gaulois on the RHS awards CD too. I wonder how many of the clones of these grexes of roth x something other than a multi actually turn out to be worthwhile...

That's an interesting theory - but I wouldn't really know how to go about verifying it. The photo of Paph. Krull's Black Shadow 'Crystelle', FCC/AOS on Greg Allikas' site at http://www.orchidworks.com shows a flower with much differently-shaped dorsal and petals, but with VERY similar coloration and pouch shape.

I have bloomed maybe 5 or 6 different (vini mottled leaf x roth) type hybrids in the last few years and they all seem to share so many characteristics I would be hard-pressed to tell them apart. The plants I bloomed from this type of breeding exhibited a tremendous amount of crippling and deformation. If the flowers weren't crippled they would often bloom asymmetrical in shape at best and I never ended up keeping any of them.

As to how many of these crosses turn out to be worthwhile - well - not many of the ones I bloomed did I ever want to see again! I suppose you have to bloom a lot of crippled dogs to get to the really nice ones such as the one Ken showed us at the beginning of this thread.

 

[aquacorps]

Tim, That is very interesting! Has anyone ever seen other cultivars of Krull's Black Shadow?