This grex is so interesting from a breeding perspective. Whitmoor 'Norriton' FCC/AOS, AM/RHS was one of the very early counted tetraploid paphs. Denehurst 'Surprise' AM/AOS-RHS, and the grex as a whole to the best of my knowledge, is counted diploid. Saint Ouen's Bay clearly takes after Whitmoor - its form, gloss, lasting qualities, etc say polyploid to me. It should be a triploid, but both St. Ouen's Bay 'Cerritos' HCC/AOS and 'Ice Dragon' B/CSA have been remarkably good and productive breeders for many nurseries for years. Would be interesting to count them...