Wanted WANTED: Paphiopedilum Startler Glace

[lleongolfpro]

Does anyone have a Paphiopedilum startler Glace for sale please?

 

[kman]

https://www.paphiopedilum.com/products/paphiopedilum-startler-glace-am-rhs

 

[Happypaphy7]

By the way, I think there are issues with photos of a plant not matching the name on that website. For example, Delrosi 'Flight of Fancy' shows photos of typical complex hybrid plant. This greatly reduces credibility and might cause potential customers to become hesitant.
I see that there are quite a few plants from Hadley Cash.
Mem. Jack Tonkin 'Marriott Spotted Galaxy' is among my favorite bulldogs of all time!!

 

[Tom-DE]

@kman, LOL! That is just like when I asked about Paph. Mem. of Jack Tonkin, someone showed me a $2000 price tag.

 

[kman]

The world of expensive orchids is paved with heartbreak. These days I stick with far less expensive fare. Not to say that temptation doesn’t walk sometimes.

 

[lleongolfpro]

https://www.paphiopedilum.com/products/paphiopedilum-startler-glace-am-rhs

Thanks. I have found that one. But that price is way to high for me.

 

[kman]

So many of these clones are expensive because of their breeding potential. If you are not a commercial breeder, the price makes them out of range for most of us.

 

[littlefrog]

So many of these clones are expensive because of their breeding potential. If you are not a commercial breeder, the price makes them out of range for most of us.

Some are just expensive because people have more money than sense. Plants aren't worth anything but what people are willing to pay.... I'm not sure most breeders would actually be able to charge enough for their flasks to justify the cost of a $10,000 stud, but I've seen (well, heard of) plants selling for that.Can write it off on their taxes? I don't even buy name-brand ketchup, so maybe I'm just cheap.

My most 'expensive' plants are usually inherited from old growers. Some I got off the society table at club meetings.... I definitely wouldn't trust anything I didn't see in bloom. Would rather spend real money on flasks and grow out my own lottery tickets.

 

[Happypaphy7]

I think the price is more than justified for certain orchids like complex hybrid Paphiopedilums when you consider how long it takes to come up with a quality flower/plant among who knows after how many trials and how many seedlings plus the time, efforts and money it would take to do so. And you won't always be lucky enough to even get the results.
Considering that a complex Paphiopedilum in bud/bloom (most will be ugly with one or more issues with flowers or average at best with some rare exceptions) now costs around $50 per plant, and the price for one with open flower with any quality to it easily shoots up to hundreds range, it is probably better to spend some more and get something you know what the flower looks like. This also assumes that the division is true to the name, hence, I also prefer to buy the plant in bloom when the price is of certain range just to be safe and prevent any disappointment.

 

[CharlesD]

So many of these clones are expensive because of their breeding potential. If you are not a commercial breeder, the price makes them out of range for most of us.

Startler 'Glace' and Orchilla 'Chilton' did not prove to be very good breeders. Both combine complex with barbatum type genetics. I think they are expensive because they are rare and very nice things. I think Arnie Klehm, Ross Hella or Tim Culbertson might have it in the US but they may not have extra divisions and won't be that cheap either.

 

[Tom-DE]

Now, what is the going rate for WC 'Indomitable"?

 

[CharlesD]

Now, what is the going rate for WC 'Indomitable"?

Probably $300. That one is totally worth it for the breeding potential not just the fact that it’s a nice flower. And the WCs are excellent growers

 

[CharlesD]

The market for complexes is definitely weird. Specific older plants can be expensive and hard to find but I’ve gotten really exceptional Hilo Orchid Farm plants for $40 that are really high quality and cutting edge breeding

 

[kman]

I remember what I paid in the early 90s for some of Andy Easton's newest hybrids, and would love to have that money now. Or what I paid for Cym. Balkis 'Silver Orb' in the 60s. At the height of the Southern California Cymbidium boom prices for top plants soared. I had planned to breed these but life got in the way. Orchid prices are a fun subject, one that has and probably always will be beyond me.

 

[Tom-DE]

Probably $300. That one is totally worth it for the breeding potential not just the fact that it’s a nice flower. And the WCs are excellent growers

In your dream if it is $300...It is more than $800 for a single growth division and that is if you can find it. "Indomitable" is FCC/AOS clone.

 

[Tom-DE]

I remember what I paid in the early 90s for some of Andy Easton's newest hybrids, and would love to have that money now. Or what I paid for Cym. Balkis 'Silver Orb' in the 60s. At the height of the Southern California Cymbidium boom prices for top plants soared. I had planned to breed these but life got in the way. Orchid prices are a fun subject, one that has and probably always will be beyond me.

Our old friend Andy....where is he now? I heard he moved back to NZ.

 

[CharlesD]

In your dream if it is $300...It is more than $800 and that is if you can find it. "Indomitable" is FCC/AOS clone.

I got a WC redoubtable for $150 recently. I don’t think I’ve ever seen either clone it offered that high. And WCs are still valuable because of their breeding potential not only because it got a FCC on the 60s. But with any of these paphs it’s all about actually knowing the person. You can’t just find these plants online

Arnie Klehm who bought Wilson’s collection is very reasonable with the price on all these old clones. He often has them on eBay

 

[Tom-DE]

I got a WC redoubtable for $150 recently. I don’t think I’ve ever seen either clone it offered that high. And WCs are still valuable because of their breeding potential not only because it got a FCC on the 60s. But with any of these paphs it’s all about actually knowing the person. You can’t just find these plants online

I hope you got the real thing from a reputable grower...for that price, it seems too good to be true unless the seller is your friend. You can't trust Ebay or online sellers for the awarded plants. Selfing plants are diff...
Over 5 years ago(edit: probably 8 years ago, now I am thinking...lost track of time because of the pandemic...) "Indomitable" was selling for $600 or more.

 

[kman]

Our old friend Andy....where is he now? I heard he moved back to NZ.

In temperate Columbia. New Horizon Orchids.

 

[Tom-DE]

In temperate Columbia. New Horizon Orchids.

He was very active in an old forum many years ago...then disappeared. Someone said he was moving back to NZ with his wife. He was from New Zealand if I remember it right. I am surprised he went to Columbia.