Ha -- As well as the plants that you're exporting from Vietnam right? Somebody forwarded us the list -- Impressive!!
although I found that you've some gap's in Paphiopedilum taxonomy knowledge - but what the theck if it can't be sold under a name then lets sell it under another.
Legal plants Ha Ha Ha
Still defamatory posts... I do not care about that at all, do you know ? For the gap in taxonomy knowledge, I do not think that much ( and I am not a pretender anyway...).
If you speak about my tissue culture lab, thanks, it is up and running, no problems about that.
Anyway, I think I know who you are, and if like that, I think as well you owe to me. That's a good lesson, never be kind with people like you. I should have known.
Rick, about the above descriptions, it depends, and how well the things are explored. From experience, you know they are in "that" mountain, you go to see them, but you climb the path that is 50m on the left of the right one. You will see very, very few plants. Some meters on the left, they are by the thousands, but to access, you have to go down-down and up-up again... Paphs colonies cannot be easily quantified, because they are on mountains, and it is not that easy to access, you cannot compare with plain land.
Pandora, I like "More recently he f.... up a French orchid forum --. This guy is bad and I just though you should now blablabla...
You cannot discredit me, and you know it very well... I ll ask the webmaster of orchideefantome.com if he is willing to explain what really happens, including the private stories behind and who did what.
Otherwise I will have to do it myself ( with the database from that time, that I backed up from that forum, including a huge log of all the connections, entries, who typed what from where...).
What is true, and maybe you mistake a little bit:
- There was a forum, orchidees.fr forum actually. After a while, some homophobic, and awful pictures appeared. 3 members ( administrators at that time of orchideefantome, I was not yet "administrator, just moderator), complained that they got a lof of homophobic, necrophiliac, and whatever you can imagine messages, and that the webmaster of that forum did not do anything to prevent/upgrade the forum ( at that time it was true, but he could not do, he used a "list type" webpage for that forum, no options of getting members registered, no options of logging the IP, a little bit like an open blog where anyone can add anything anywhere. Actually, they got private homophobic messages from a couple of members from that forum ( and those members were clearly at that time identified), and the webmaster would not ban/filter those people.
Because of those discriminatory posters, we all decided to make orchideefantome. That was the basis of that forum.
Another problem was the heavy pollution at that time, many people would stuff the forum with "shall I cut my flowerstem" posts many, many times. It was obvious as well that many questions were here, not posted by "real" novices, but by "fake ones" that were just on purpose to make that forum painful to read ( shall I remember that it was a list-webpage style forum at that time, so you had to browse everything to find interesting posts). There were FAQs of course, but those "strange" posters kept asking the same and the same question over and over...
The new forum was not meant at first to be "elitist" in its members reading, but more "higher level" for the questions/answers.
I was quite willing to do that too, because sometimes beginners can misunderstand, or follow quite "dangerous" advice. At that time on the new forum, many hormons, chemicals ( Cygon, but Temik as well, Carbofuran...) were discussed, some culture techniques that were experimental, etc...
Frankly, the access to some sections was restricted, as some people are very poor chemists too, and I have seen posts asking if it is OK to dilute Temik in water and spray in the kitchen, or so on... So we wanted to avoid that. Some uses were clearly illegal according to the plant phytosanitary chemicals laws too (and yes I, as well, discussed and advised about that, plant matters !), so it was difficult to make some parts public.
I never f___d up that forum as Pandora said, actually it was a very nice forum at that time. Some personnal matters started to interfere, including the reappearance of the porn messages. The wolf was actually amongst the sheeps in that forum again, and so far amongst the earlier members.
I disgressed about a problem of MP readings, one of the later administrators on that forum was reading all the MP like crazy, and she still does as far as I have heard.
We have a problem in France, and Europe regarding the forums. The owner ( Steph actually for that forum) is in charge of ANY legal matters around the forum, including pedophiles that could try to catch someone by MP, or people dealing drugs by MP, or whatever can happens. It is a very unfair law, but it's like that.
Therefore not crypting the MP can save a lot of problems with the police, shall they ask who contacted who during a criminal investigation. Many forums owners have got into deep, deep trouble because they could not let the investigators access to the MP, or they let dangerous people using the MP and the forums. The regulations are different in the USA as far as I understand...
In France, you have to respect strongly the privacy, but on the other side, the law is very explicit, you are in charge. That's pretty much like carrying a sealed suitcase for someone you do not know. You open it and you break privacy, you don't and you can have problems. So many forums administrators there choose to have access to the MP, so they can not be legally charged ( there is no proof that people read the MP or have access to them, but there is proof that illegal MPs were on the board). They choose the lesser risk.
I heard as well that some MP were modified, some much after I left the forum completely as an administrator. The owner is as a standalone very OK guy, very knowledgeable, but he has some people close to him that are far, very far from being nice.
As I have nothing to feel guilty of, I am not bothered about that forum story.
Paul, as far as I know, you cannot testify anything, only what 2 people told you. I was not exactly fired actually... I give up because reading the MP, and having some hidden forums to have a lot of paranoia coming from one girl (administrator now) reading the MPs and interpreting everything 'ha she's a lesbian ! I guessed it from long ago !', 'That guy should be fired, you see he posts that he likes XYZ, but I hate XYZ', and all the puppets around saying yesyesyes we do we do my "Queen"...) was not to my taste, to say the least !
Then, the problem is that there were forums inside the forums, where 1 admin and 2 modos can have access, or 2 admins together, or, or... and discuss/complain about everything, everywhere anytime.
Paul, you are moderator. Only the administrators can make you learn what happens exactly, and introduce you to the private forums ( there are several still on orchideefantome). Ask to be administrator immediately, no delay, and read ALL the forums, and see by yourself. Do not wait for some of those forums to be deleted...
By the way, it is funny, I think I just got an email from you asking questions about how to import flasks to France, and I replied at lenght to it, is that correct ?
It is a bit harsh to criticize me publicly and ask me for informations ( I never refused any informations to anyone who sent to me an email...) privately. Do not worry, you are not the only one to do or have done that (including several from orchideefantome !), like Judas did it in his time right? ( and now I am not Jesus !).
Many people I provide advise, freely, and then I discover that many people have two sides. That's interesting...
About asking my posts to be deleted from orchideefantome. Yes, I DID ! Orchideefantome was at that time restricted to the members, (and I have not been fired because the admin discovered blablabla. The admins discussed with me off that forum for many emails, exchanging ideas, and asking about advise, if you want to know the true. And I like to share my knowledge on orchid growing, so I was STUPID AS HELL enough to reply to many, many questions), and I did not see any points to keep my posts on that forum and leaving it because of people behaving with me improperly. Furthermore, there was no public access, so to let people that criticize and threaten me have access privately to my posts, why should I allow that?
You pass to your best friend your car so he can go to make shopping. Then you learn that he just was going with your wife in a hotel. You think it is unfair to ban him from using your car ? No way !
About being fired from orchideefantome, yes... "Someone" allowed some members for a short time to see the messages on orchideefantome, including all those hidden/secret ones, criticizing and laughing at the others members. I think they can testify here if you wish.
I think that you promised a couple things to me that you never did, then I was fed up and told you to forget it, right ?
Xavier Garreau de Loubresse
( and I think many people know that Sanderianum is my posting avatar...).
