As I posted about paph paradise selling some unlabeled orchid zone rothschildianum I bought one. It is in bloom so we will see how this turns out 
Orchid Zone rothschildianum.
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I purchased one from Dave as well and it’s also in bloom, my first Roth to bloom. I have no idea how to discern the quality- but I was excited to see it bloom.
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I think it is wonderful. It is kinda all over the place with the flowers: they are dancing
. What are the measurements? The dorsal looks good and has good proportions from what i can tell. If it is still figuring out it's form I would love an updated photo.Congratulations
Also 4 flowers for a first bloom!!!! Wow
I think it is wonderful. It is kinda all over the place with the flowers: they are dancing
Congratulations
Frankly, I’ve been so busy at work that I’ve not been on top of things recently and I just staked it which is why the stalk and flowers are at such odd angles. I’ll attempt to take some measurements tomorrow.
Is that not typical for roths? And should I cut the bloom off now since it’s the first time blooming?
It seems for me is it usually 3 flowers. Honestly with cutting it off i have two thoughts.
1. I have several one growth rothschildianum bloom and just let the flower go as long as it wants. However these plants have extremely good roots and have been under my supervision. They all also have put out 1-3 new growths afterwards.
2. I get a plant specifically rothschildianum from a seller and it is in bloom/spike. Usually the flower looks good and i leave it like normal. However in my experience sellers are not good at growing roots on plants. Firstly it is exspensive to keep repoting. Another thing is they use non see through pots. I can monitor all my roots as they are in soup containers
. Looking at my roth that I got the roots look good on the surface but I have no idea when they go deeper. The bark does not look like the newest. I probably would keep it a week then cut it.
Also with 4 flowers and a ton of energy the plant has just used it is going to be a struggle to grow a new growth fast. I would cut then repot. You need to do this when it is in active growth though or it will shock it terribly. A lot of my paphiopedilums are growing new root right now. Just play it by ear and don't freak out. Also do you have a good bark recipe you use?
This has been the number of roots about that i like to see: between these two photos. Also active root tips. The top one is kovachii and i repoted it into a 6" pot. If done right like I did the plant should have no problem. Roots are already circling the sides of the new pot
Those are some good looking roots!
id keep that roth (just stake it better next time)
Plant looks strong. Let it bloom. It actually looks like a very nice quality roth. Next blooming should work out the kinks.
Keep us posted!
It's giving mont millais a little. Getting a good photo is so hard up close as it kinda makes the flower different than in person. The other flowers are still cooking
that's nice
Nice!
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As a hobbyist growing orchids, 2-3 flowers seems great. 4 to 5 is even better.
But the question was asked, what measurements make for a good Roth??? 5 or 6 flowers. Dorsal sepal wider the 6cm. Natural spreads as large as possible, horizontally larger then 24, 26, 28 centimeters. Vertical ? You do not want the flowers to appear to be squished downward. Petal width at the base, 2 cm minimum and without too much twisting. They can be held uniformly at a 45 degree angle downward or almost horizontally. And a strong bloom stem that supports the flowers.
This is where we are now with over 300 awards granted to Paphiopedilum rothschildianum. But like I alluded to, every Roth is precious in my opinion.
But the question was asked, what measurements make for a good Roth??? 5 or 6 flowers. Dorsal sepal wider the 6cm. Natural spreads as large as possible, horizontally larger then 24, 26, 28 centimeters. Vertical ? You do not want the flowers to appear to be squished downward. Petal width at the base, 2 cm minimum and without too much twisting. They can be held uniformly at a 45 degree angle downward or almost horizontally. And a strong bloom stem that supports the flowers.
This is where we are now with over 300 awards granted to Paphiopedilum rothschildianum. But like I alluded to, every Roth is precious in my opinion.
At my center the (unofficial) minimum to have a roths nominated is five flowers 30cm wide. I took several up that compared favorably to recent AM and they were passed without scoring every time. I finally asked off record and the answer was that it's such a prestigious species with so many awards that they won't score any that are not a potential FCC.
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Well that is a bit of an over simplification. Honestly, judging is all about moving judging standards forward. You do not want to have 20, 30, or 40 awards at the same basic level. That is “kind of gilding the lily” so to speak. Kind of like spinning your wheels.
Looking for wider dorsal sepals is advancing the standards for Rothschildianum. As is 5 flowers or 6 as opposed to 3 or 4. Looking for wider, straighter petals, improved form. Having pouches with even, richer color is looked for too.
When a candidate comes before me, like a Roth or a Saint Swithin or a Cattleya purpurata, I might look at the 5 or 10 most recent awards. We, through Orchid Pro, can determine the average size, natural spread, flower count etc. Then we compare the candidate to those most recent awards. If it measures up favorably, I will look at it closer! If it doesn’t, I tend to pass on these things.
In flower quality awards, we want to take steps forward, not backwards.
It is a very difficult concept to grasp sometimes for people outside of the judging fraternity but it is really what I try to do. I have been a judge now for 30 years, served 3 judging Centers, Northeast, Florida North Central and Great Lakes. I try to enlighten judges, spread my experiences around and pass on my knowledge to every new judging candidate. Everyone is never too old to learn!
RIGHT???
Looking for wider dorsal sepals is advancing the standards for Rothschildianum. As is 5 flowers or 6 as opposed to 3 or 4. Looking for wider, straighter petals, improved form. Having pouches with even, richer color is looked for too.
When a candidate comes before me, like a Roth or a Saint Swithin or a Cattleya purpurata, I might look at the 5 or 10 most recent awards. We, through Orchid Pro, can determine the average size, natural spread, flower count etc. Then we compare the candidate to those most recent awards. If it measures up favorably, I will look at it closer! If it doesn’t, I tend to pass on these things.
In flower quality awards, we want to take steps forward, not backwards.
It is a very difficult concept to grasp sometimes for people outside of the judging fraternity but it is really what I try to do. I have been a judge now for 30 years, served 3 judging Centers, Northeast, Florida North Central and Great Lakes. I try to enlighten judges, spread my experiences around and pass on my knowledge to every new judging candidate. Everyone is never too old to learn!
RIGHT???
