Star Wars

[ehanes7612]

Obviously this is not scientific but my understanding of Lucas's vision. Anakin was "good" and "evil" in one. I feel like jj missed some of the fine subtle aspects of the force and fighting confrontations.
When yoda and the emperor finally met how bad ass was that. Who is more powerful? Who has better knowledge of the force who can yield the force to wield a light saber better. These were things I always wanted to know and analyzed. I feel like jj just crapped on them a little. Lol

yeah, I can agree with this. Abrams did seem to rewrite the rules in favor of exploring the emotional connection between characters..but that's Abram's strength ..and was definitely not Lucas's strength. I just never expected Abrams to explore those fine details of the force in the first one. We will see what happens in the next one..different director (Rian Johnson, he also wrote the script), so it will be interesting.

 

[Marco]

Definitely worth seeing on the big screen. But definitely could have been better.

 

[ehanes7612]

The interesting question I always had was did the emperor know anakin was coming and let windu defeat him? Was that a masterful plan or did he cunningly utilize a fortuitous situation when it presented itsself. Windu was a master light saber wielder. Maybe as good as yoda. His knowledge and connection with the force was less than yoda and emperor but he could have fairly beat him in a light saber dual. Especially since he channeled both light and dark sides of the force when dueling.

That was probably the best sequence of events in number 3. I wish it were scripted and acted better though. That was a question many people asked. One of those unsolved mysteries star wars fans like to ponder on

 

[paphioland]

So Anakin had the highest number of midi-chlorianes (Star Wars is still a reflection of our own society, with the constant struggle between intelligent design and randomness) .. Perhaps it's not taking sides but at least it implies that the force is choosing individuals to create balance? I don't think the force makes distinctions between evil and good either, to be honest with you. But if some people are more in touch than others, then why cant Rey really, really be open to it, even moreso than Anakin?

If she were more powerful it would ruin the premise of the movie. It would show that jj had some disdain for the Lucas's starwars. Anakin is a once ever in touch with the force person. There was no record of a Jedi in history with more. He was conceived by the force almost like Jesus in Christianity. Maybe it is by chance or design. Either way it would be highly improbably Rey is more powerful. This takes place over a short period in time of the Galaxy. It would ruin the whole movie series for me. It would be way way too convenient. It is hard to imagine how special anakin was after how Lucas portrayed him. Now we are supposed to believe Rey is some great once ever power? It would be absurd and I would think almost socially motivated. So he would be destroying the backbone of starwars for some social justice so a woman would be the most powerful character in starwars. It's not even like anakin was a great person. He was a sad character that was manipulated by those with more experience. He was obviously missing a father figure. Never lived up to his potential. Was taken advantage of by both the Jedi and the sith.

 

[paphioland]

On another note. She is probably luke's daughter unless they try to misdirect us. She is wearing x fighter helmet. Has stick figure of Luke looking x fighter figure on her table. She is a natural great pilot like Luke and anakin. She is raised on a sandy planet filled with sordid types. The light saber calls to her. R2 comes alive in her presence.

 

[ehanes7612]

On another note. She is probably luke's daughter unless they try to misdirect us. She is wearing x fighter helmet. Has stick figure of Luke looking x fighter figure on her table. She is a natural great pilot like Luke and anakin. She is raised on a sandy planet filled with sordid types. The light saber calls to her. R2 comes alive in her presence.

yeah, i get that..but I think the question asks more of her experiences and her history. All part of her character development

 

[ehanes7612]

If she were more powerful it would ruin the premise of the movie. It would show that jj had some disdain for the Lucas's starwars. Anakin is a once ever in touch with the force person. There was no record of a Jedi in history with more. He was conceived by the force almost like Jesus in Christianity. Maybe it is by chance or design. Either way it would be highly improbably Rey is more powerful. This takes place over a short period in time of the Galaxy. It would ruin the whole movie series for me. It would be way way too convenient. It is hard to imagine how special anakin was after how Lucas portrayed him. Now we are supposed to believe Rey is some great once ever power? It would be absurd and I would think almost socially motivated. So he would be destroying the backbone of starwars for some social justice so a woman would be the most powerful character in starwars. It's not even like anakin was a great person. He was a sad character that was manipulated by those with more experience. He was obviously missing a father figure. Never lived up to his potential. Was taken advantage of by both the Jedi and the sith.

okay, this movie didn't really prove she is stronger than Anakin, didn't even prove she is stronger than Kylo...Anakin was already manifesting the force long before he was found by Qui-Gonn Jinn (pod racing). It stands to reason that his possible granddaughter could manifest the force too in some form or another.

 

[paphioland]

okay, this movie didn't really prove she is stronger than Anakin, didn't even prove she is stronger than Kylo...Anakin was already manifesting the force long before he was found by Qui-Gonn Jinn (pod racing). It stands to reason that his possible granddaughter could manifest the force too in some form or another.

I agree. I'm not saying that will be the case. Just didn't like jjs interpretation of the force in those scenes. Obviously if she is anakin's granddaughter she is strong with the force just like kylo should be. No question he was wounded and he seemed emotionally unstable. Who knows who Rey's mother is. Maybe she is a very high Jedi. Who knows. I just wish Lucas would have had some input.

 

[ehanes7612]

yeah, I have not seen any of Rian Johnson's films..perhaps I will look into Loopers. I have been interested in it since it deals with time travel.

 

[paphioland]

I enjoyed loopers

 

[ehanes7612]

thanks for the conversation. I haven't thought about this stuff in ten years

 

[Ozpaph]

The interesting question I always had was did the emperor know anakin was coming and let windu defeat him? .

Ive always thought so. The facial expressions shown by the emperor suggest to me he is clearly manipulating Anakin to kill Windu to move closer to the darkside. As such, I think he manipulates the whole circumstance to achieve that.

 

[Ozpaph]

On another note. She is probably luke's daughter unless they try to misdirect us. She is wearing x fighter helmet. Has stick figure of Luke looking x fighter figure on her table. She is a natural great pilot like Luke and anakin. She is raised on a sandy planet filled with sordid types. The light saber calls to her. R2 comes alive in her presence.

I think she is Luke's daughter, too (or at least well know to him. It would be silly if she is Kylo's sister - they've done that). Her 'ability' to use a light saber, apparently without training suggests a 'divine' influence. R2D2 'recognising' her as a proxy for Luke - his master.
When she climbs the mountain to offer him the light saber he doesnt seem surprised to see her and gives no clue that he doesn't know who she is - ie he's not surprised she's there and doesn't treat her like a stranger. Almost a pre-ordained meeting, of sorts. Though, I thought he'd accept the light sabre - not doing so does raise the possibility that, like Yoda, he will train her rather than fight for the rebellion himself. (and it transitions him out of the series early????)
And who is Po? "best pilot in the galaxy" and survives/resists torture to lead a rebel attack. Perhaps he is destined to team up with Chewbacca and pilot the Millenium Falcon.

Got to see it again (and again).

 

[ehanes7612]

And again

 

[ehanes7612]

I think she is Luke's daughter, too (or at least well know to him. It would be silly if she is Kylo's sister - they've done that). Her 'ability' to use a light saber, apparently without training suggests a 'divine' influence. R2D2 'recognising' her as a proxy for Luke - his master.
When she climbs the mountain to offer him the light saber he doesnt seem surprised to see her and gives no clue that he doesn't know who she is - ie he's not surprised she's there and doesn't treat her like a stranger. Almost a pre-ordained meeting, of sorts. Though, I thought he'd accept the light sabre - not doing so does raise the possibility that, like Yoda, he will train her rather than fight for the rebellion himself. (and it transitions him out of the series early????)
And who is Po? "best pilot in the galaxy" and survives/resists torture to lead a rebel attack. Perhaps he is destined to team up with Chewbacca and pilot the Millenium Falcon.

Got to see it again (and again).

saw it again, the next to the final scene is Luke expressing relief and a sort of letting go..I mean the guy looks like he's about to break down and cry. The final scene is classic Abrams ..he loves to use freeze frame shots or at least he did in LOST.
I imagine Po would be the third team member also..perhaps him and Chewie become pals..Po does have that same wit, albeit less cycnical, as Han Solo..seems to me that Chewie may find that comforting

and being an Astrophysicist in training that whole sucking up the sun ray blaster gun..hmm, I just need to let it go

 

[Ozpaph]

and being an Astrophysicist in training that whole sucking up the sun ray blaster gun..hmm, I just need to let it go

That way they didnt have to invent cold fusion.................

 

[ehanes7612]

That way they didnt have to invent cold fusion.................

there you go

 

[Linus_Cello]

No spoilers here (love the quote of Senator Jar Jar Binks):

www.washingtonpost.com/video/editor...d8ccaa-a5a4-11e5-8318-bd8caed8c588_video.html

 

[Ozpaph]

An interesting 'take' on Star Wars.

I saw TFA the second time after thinking about all the 'questions'. I enjoyed it more. Saw more of the clues. But none the wiser............I now doubt Rey and Luke are directly related................perhaps.

 

[ehanes7612]

http://hellogiggles.com/theory-rey-star-wars/