Ne réveillez pas le chat qui dort
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lanmark, in your joke, you say that the capitalists are getting bailed out by the govt. for their rich socialists tea party... then it's not logical and it's 'rich socialists' who are getting bailed out (smile). us general run of the mill capitalists know that the big banks and financiers etc are not capitalists; if they were, they would be allowed to fail (in a capitalist society nobody would be protected) and a better business would take their place.
point is, beware of leaping before looking and knowing what you are getting yourself into. there are too many cats and dogs in the u.s. sleeping their lives away in front of their big screen or above their smartphone, and people need to be careful
Claiming that any one social, political or economic idea or theory is 'the one to have' or 'superior' to others and seeking to denigrate others, is the epitome of speciosityMy limerick was simply a limerick. Don't be paranoid. It was not "directed" at you. It was here for the simple fact that this is the joke thread. The sole point of my other comments is that I didn't appreciate your ugly, small-minded comments against socialists, and I was not about to sit silently by while you mischaracterized and maligned an entire group of people in the thin guise of humor -- hence my comment about not waking the sleeping cat. I am that cat. You started it. I will end it.I didn't mention the 'Tea Party', if you will read, you will notice 'tea party' in lower case, which means a frivolous and mindless event and not the more recently organized group of people who are disgusted with politics and etc in the u.s. . I'm not sure why you feel you are poking me, I am a general citizen of this country. if you want to mock the politics and morals of this country, feel free! I agree that much here is lacking. The point that the whole sit-in in new york and washington (for the moment) is rather specious or frivolous in itself (smile), unless there is real intent behind those who are organizing.
Socialism in itself has already proven itself to be a failture. Where is the true socialist society of today (or yesterday) that has shown itself to be a success?True capitalism and democracy, do not exist in the united states. ..nor anywhere. so,.. your points about frivolity and speciosity are in themselves specious! :rollhappy: Even in the days of 'rampant communism', those societies were also not truly communistic; more dictatorships. all societies are a mix of this and that, depending on the wants of the governing bodies. if you feel that you are poking the general state of the u.s. then again feel free. but if you feel that you are poking me as a rampant capitalist or whatever, then your limericks are far from the point, and marginalize the author (or contributor). but, orchid growers including myself can often be categorized as being 'pretty out there'
again, the point is that people should make sure that they are careful before they join groups that they don't know the motives behind the organizers. you seem to want to ignore that point, that in general people don't often know what they are getting themselves into, whether it is politics, business, jobs, relationships etc or whatever. seeking why and how things are happening is what a true citizen should do, not just follow the crowd if you're pissed off. the history channel is chock-full of millions who have died for just such a blind action. I work with many bosnians, and they will tell you very quickly that this is what happened in their country, and if you described the situation to people of other countries who have been torn apart by civil wars (check out africa - recent and past history) because people who normally lived side-by-side were incited by those who wanted to seek power, so sought those who were disenfranchised and stirred the pot, if they then realized what was happening they would say 'beware' very quickly. actually, one of my (bosnian/now a u.s. citizen) co-workers has already mentioned to me that what is happening in the u.s. right now makes him very nervous
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I welcome people's opinions, and don't call them a holes when they differ from mine. I'm glad that we live, or at least the server that houses this forum, lives in the united states. We are able to exchange ideas and opinions at will, freely. I don't take any upset from these posts, and none were made to be personally directed. I did make the mistake of being too general in my 'joke' using a very broad term 'socialist', and also in my broad self-description as being 'capitalist'. I'm not a true capitalist, but a member of a country that allows someone to have a business which I'm happy about. I see that many like me who are middle-class may soon become the minority. I can recognize that many people are tired of being taken by thieves, in that we are all in agreement. I also agree with many of Lanmark's self-describing statements. My point still is that people should be very careful about what they get themselves into, and I'm not directing messages personally to anyone. I welcome the free exchange of ideas, and hope that whatever becomes of our country in the future, we all retain the right and ability to express these ideas without ending up in jail or dead. You are right that this isn't Bosnia, but as you say, it's not the United States that it used to be, and is pretty firmly being directed by extremely well-financed forces to whatever direction they want. Bosnia wasn't a Bosnia until things were bad and someone wanted to stir the pot for their own personal glory and greed. This country could very quickly become something that none of us may ever recognize. Would you ever think that people would run around massacring thousands to intimidate and such in this country? It's happened at least twice during the Revolutionary war and before the Civil War. Things change very quickly and this is already not the country that used to be, and don't believe for a second that anything that has happened somewhere else in the world couldn't happen here. Fair enough :wink: I don't see you as an a-hole. I respect your opinions and your right to have them. I'm also grateful we have the right to public assembly, free speech and dissent here in this nation. I happen to see those who are currently occupying Wall Street expressing their outrage as a group of courageous and honorable individuals, but I'd much rather talk about orchids and exchange jokes and humorous anecdotes any day. 
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